If Anduin didnt have Mass Rez?

[cparle87]

Yea... preserved... Medivh's body was slashed and torn. His heart was pierced and his head was chopped off. Fel energy exploded from his body. They buried his remains in the dirt.

Guardians kinda don't play by the same rules as most people. Check out that little video when that demon disguised as Medivh tries to tempt him into becoming a "Guardian". See the kind of power they have. We didn't really get a good demonstration, besides being told a Guardian did this or Aegwynn defeated the Avatar or such. That video was a good demonstration.

[Aquamonkey]

Guardians kinda don't play by the same rules as most people. Check out that little video when that demon disguised as Medivh tries to tempt him into becoming a "Guardian". See the kind of power they have. We didn't really get a good demonstration, besides being told a Guardian did this or Aegwynn defeated the Avatar or such. That video was a good demonstration.

What does that have to do with the fact that Medivh died and his body was messed up? He didn't resurrect through his own power. Aegwynn did it, Jaina could have as well as any sufficiently powerful sorcerer.

[Thetruth1400]

And if Sylvanas didn't have that.... dark shitty magic, whatever, that rallied her troops, whorde would've had their asses handed to them on a plates, deep roasted. Just another pointless fight with 2 leaders flexing their abilities, where no side can win or lose.

Except that in the end, the Alliance does win and Undercity falls.

[cparle87]

What does that have to do with the fact that Medivh died and his body was messed up? He didn't resurrect through his own power. Aegwynn did it, Jaina could have as well as any sufficiently powerful sorcerer.

Aegwynn was a Guardian and didn't give ALL her power to Medivh? She gathered what she could bit by bit for years to bring him back, and it nearly killed her. There's also the distinction between having the power to do something and having the knowledge to do it. All the power in the world won't help if you don't know how to make the magic do what you want it to.

[Aquamonkey]

Aegwynn was a Guardian and didn't give ALL her power to Medivh? She gathered what she could bit by bit for years to bring him back, and it nearly killed her.

She gave all of her Guardian power to Medivh. The power she had left was her own, which was exhausted during her fight with Medivh. That's why she needed so long to gather the power for the resurrection and why she was so weak.

There's also the distinction between having the power to do something and having the knowledge to do it. All the power in the world won't help if you don't know how to make the magic do what you want it to.

Well, no shit. Except your point is meaningless because others had the power and the knowledge. Cycle of Hatred says that Jaina among others could have done it, but they would have admitted it if they had, causing the mage community to wonder how Medivh returned from the dead. Jaina correctly deduced that Aegwynn did it.

[KevtheWise]

Except that in the end, the Alliance does win and Undercity falls.

Do you have prove of this?

[Aquamonkey]

Do you have prove of this?

Blizzard said that UC is in ruins but not defensible for the Alliance.

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[Heladys]

If Anduin didnt have Mass Rez?

Watching that cinematic again it seems like had Anduin not mass rezzed his Army he couldve lost that battle.

It seems after Sylvanas Banshee screamed wiped out the alliance front ranks and rallied the Horde the Horde was about to break the offensive and score a crushing defeat on the Alliance infact it looked like Genn was even killed.

So how do you think the battle wouldve played out had he not had that OP spell?

If Sylvanas didn't have her bullshit "I win" button, the Horde would have remained devastated and demoralized, so what's your point?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It wouldn't matter. The story calls for Undercity to be taken by the Alliance...so that's what would happen. The Sylvanas/Anduin part was just meant to show them both being badasses in their particular ways in order to rally the troops. The video ends with no conclusive victor...but we know in BfA The Alliance has taken the majority of EK and the Horde controls most of Kalimdor.

[Mormolyce]

Tirion was able to mass res us in Icecrown Citadel. That was real in the lore and not just a game mechanic. It can be done but it's super duper rare.

Wasn't it actually Terenas? Might've just been a special case with our souls being consumed into Frostmourne until it was shattered, and him being recently freed from it.

But there was a leader short story where Varian was killed by an assassin and he resurrected him... I may be remembering that wrong but there was a distinct nod to the game mechanics IIRC.

[cparle87]

She gave all of her Guardian power to Medivh. The power she had left was her own, which was exhausted during her fight with Medivh. That's why she needed so long to gather the power for the resurrection and why she was so weak.


Well, no shit. Except your point is meaningless because others had the power and the knowledge. Cycle of Hatred says that Jaina among others could have done it, but they would have admitted it if they had, causing the mage community to wonder how Medivh returned from the dead. Jaina correctly deduced that Aegwynn did it.

She gave all her Guardian power to Medivh, leaving her just a powerful mage. Medivh strips her of most of that during their fight. After warning Llane what's up she realizes Medivh didn't strip her immortality spells, so she cannibalizes those and uses them to teleport away to live out her live in obscurity. Which didn't happen.

On your second point I'll admit, you have a point. You need 3 things. The power, the knowledge, and the willingness. Jaina had the first two but not the third.

[ohwell]

Yea... preserved... Medivh's body was slashed and torn. His heart was pierced and his head was chopped off. Fel energy exploded from his body. They buried his remains in the dirt.

Weird that you want to argue this one yet don't want to concede you were completely wrong on the other one. Deflection 101.

[Goremonger]

The entire front of UC should have looked like the Wrath gate. No reason why the plauge which is sitting inside the ruins in bulk might I add, weren't used. I see people saying saurfang being salty but, what sense does that make when you're surrounded to not use such an effective weapon.

[LoLcano]

The entire front of UC should have looked like the Wrath gate. No reason why the plauge which is sitting inside the ruins in bulk might I add, weren't used. I see people saying saurfang being salty but, what sense does that make when you're surrounded to not use such an effective weapon.

Well i assume it have something to do with everyone beside undead despise plague . using them on fight would mean dead orcs/tauren/trolls too along with alliance and it meant rly pissed off Argent dawn and Ebon blade . so sylvanas may won the battle but entire azeroth would be against her and no amount of plague would save her .

[Goremonger]

using them on fight would mean dead orcs/tauren/trolls

They wouldn't have waited for the alliance to be inside the gates to start firing, friendly fire wouldn't be an issue. Argents aren't that many in number and the ebon blade shouldn't have a say seeing as how they invade lights hope chapel. Plus it's their own territory why would anyone else be upset.

[Deleted]

"Banshee Sylvannas" and Mass-rez Anduin looks like a very localized event. In the end, it's still the combined might of Stormwind/Ironforge/Gilneas roflstomping Undercity

it would be good to do a run down of militery forces of the alliance on the hord and see who is actualy strongest at this current time. my money would be on the alliance as evean though both sides took large casualtys at the broken shore the hord i dont belive have really recovered from MOP and the fall of ogrimar

[Minikin]

If Anduin didnt have Mass Rez?

Watching that cinematic again it seems like had Anduin not mass rezzed his Army he couldve lost that battle.

It seems after Sylvanas Banshee screamed wiped out the alliance front ranks and rallied the Horde the Horde was about to break the offensive and score a crushing defeat on the Alliance infact it looked like Genn was even killed.

So how do you think the battle wouldve played out had he not had that OP spell?

i dont know if genn was killed. more zapped. but anyway, i also dont think it was the entire army just as sylvannas only banshee wailed like 5 soldier.

if we are going to call andiun rezing an entire army op. then we also have to call sylvannas banshee wailing an entire front rank op.

[bison91]

Pathetic pathos alliance should be destroyed.

[Minikin]

If Anduin hadn't cast that spell, the dozen or so soldiers she hit would have died and been replaced by the ranks behind them like nothing had happened.

Following that, the Horde forces would have promptly been crushed because they were being led by a commander who was so inept that she thought that the best way to defend an underground city which is only accessible via a handful of small lifts, which is inhabited by people who cannot get sick, don't need to eat and don't need to drink against an enemy with both numerical and technological superiority was to charge out the front gates.

THIS! THIS IS SO PERFECT! my brother and I have been arguing back and forth and this didnt even come to mind. Why the hell would you charge out when you can just wait them out and use gurella tactics in close quarters.

[Aragoth]

Actually resurrection magic doesn't exist in lore, if it did then why would Anduin not ress Varian, his mother, etc etc - he healed them. What's more he clearly only healed the front lines, there was a full army behind him

If that was true, the dev panel would've corrected the person asking about that.