Why isn't giving birth more heavily regulated?

[Aqua]

Poor people are a source of income for the rich, why on earth would they encourage regulation?

There's a reason in the US they manipulate them using Religious reasons. Abortions are wrong! God said so!

[Powerogue]

A lot of you guys think that the problem is actually the amount of children born, while the real problem is a huge number of dumb motherfuckers running across this planet, and instead of discussing about their sterilisation o some shit like that, the government should start working on their education . Oh, but wait a moment is it really convenient to the government to have a highly educated citizens?

Fantastic idea. Now how do we handle the large amount of that demographic who think that sex ed. is evil?

[Super Kami Dende]

Birth isn't regulated, because it is hard to regulate Stupid and/or Poor people into making worthy life decisions.

[Total Crica]

i already posted?

No, you never posted how many competent people you know that want this government job you want to hire them for.

[Dangg]

It really should, but Nazis ruined the movement

[Nfinitii]

https://www.childtrends.org/indicato...en-in-poverty/
http://www.aaets.org/article230.htm

22% of children are born into poverty. That's pretty high and those parents obviously can't ensure a standard of living worthy of human dignity for those kids. Moreover they're more likely to become a drag on society just like their deadbeat parents. Now before people get triggered and start talking about their wonderful friends that come from drug addict families, remember that exceptions just prove the rule.

It's pretty obvious that middle class families are way better for children than poverty-stricken families. Even the UN has a set of rights and freedoms that children must have (and those deadbeat families obviously aren't ensuring them). So why isn't procreation regulated by the government? Say a minimum set of standards that people must pass before procreating (e.g. a special course designed to teach them how to be a good parent, how to feed their children properly, how to educate them, how to develop their hobbies. Both parents being steadily employed and having good incomes is also a must).

Everyone talks about how terrible it is when children are born to 16 year old girls, single parents, drug addicts and criminals but no one does anything about it. "But Wilfire, it's her body and her choice, the government can't force women to abort if they don't have a certificate!". Right and wrong, it's her right but remember, rights come with obligations. Even the UN says that rights and freedoms may be limited by law to prevent people from abusing said rights to harm other people. Forcing kids to live in poverty is a pretty grievous violation of human rights. Obviously dragging people kicking and screaming into Planned Parenthood will cause outrage so there's no need to do that. If someone decides that they're above the law and give birth to children without having previously obtained a certificate, teach them a lesson. Put those kids up for adoption and slap the deadbeat parents with a lengthy jail sentence.

Making kids suffer because their parents are selfish is plain wrong.

That's how u get a tyrannical government, the more power u give a government the less freedoms and rights u have. The government is already bloated and corrupt enough. It needs to be downsized, not increased.

[Deleted]

No big globalist country has a left wing government.. so eh.. ye...
Any left wing party in the pocket of the multi-nationals, is left wing in name only.

The socialism is dead, long live the socialism huh alright.

>no left wing government managed to become a big globalist country

[Total Crica]

THESE PEOPLE THESE WORKERS ALREADY EXIST HOW THE @#%$ DO YOU THINK THE CURRENT WELFARE SYSTEM WORKS?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...fare-cards-way
https://www.cashlessdebitcard.org.au/

It doesn't currently work the way you want it to work, so no, competent people who want this job you want to hire them for don't exist.

[Youn]

China introduced a One Child policy. This was later altered to allow a second child if the first child turned out to be a girl. The reason for this was an unusual number of abortions or giving up for adoptions occurred when a girl was born. Culturally, that is because the eldest male child is expected to take care of their parents. And the girls are expected to marry into other families to not be cared for anymore by their actual family.

This resulted in a disparity of males to females. For example in 2008, it was 111:100. Also remember in that culture, any women over 27-ish is considered a Left Over Women and not considered marriageable. This results in that ratio of marriageable people becoming more lopsided.

Then you end up with the 4-2-1 issue, that is going to pretty much end up in all the developed countries were parents having less children have less children will have a hard time being supported.

[Total Crica]

ok you must come from a pretty fucked up country if there is no regulation with no people monitoring the welfare system and the people who use it

I live in the USA. No, our system currently doesn't work exactly the way you want it to work because there currently are not enough competent people who want the government job you are offering to hire them for.

[Cwimge]

Because there are several things the human animal considers sacred and an innate right. Having kids is one of them, it is believed that interfering in someone's ability to breed is always and forever morally Hitler. It's not ideal but we're not robots and so many things that'd be good for us won't ever happen. It's why meth head jane can pump out broken babies year after year, sireing a generation of wasted money and suffering- but attempting to force sterilise her or mandate abortion is met with the most savage outcry.

The right to reproduce is considered more important then quality of life

[Total Crica]

what is hard to understand

I understand you. That has nothing to do with the fact that our system currently doesn't work exactly the way you want it to work because there currently are not enough competent people who want the government job you are offering to hire them for.

[Tiwack]

you know what Social Service workers are then the Welfare system is run by people who work there and is changed all the time its not written in stone

encouraging poor people to have children so they get more welfare = making the problem worse = ends up costing a lot more over time

what is hard to understand

So invest in the population and properly distribute wealth to make the amount of poor people marginal and negligible? I get your frustration but most people don't like the solution... same as they'd rather pay insurance than have the same thing covered through taxes or detracted from wage as direct benefit of employment... Tons of ways to set it up, each with their own pros and cons all relying on the current way the majority thinks and thus decides what is acceptable and what isn't even though they ideally want the same result; limit the pain and suffering and increase the happiness and pleasure across the board. Government oversight gives transparency through bureaucracy and provides accountability on a level privat enterprises are unable to. The system tries to accommodate but ultimately relies on the smarts/deviousness of the guys writing the legislation in the end. There's enough for everyone to go around and how much can an individual spend on pleasure and happiness anyhow? Any rich guy gets fatigued and depressed when the realization sets in that some things can't be bought with money. The same factors that spawn a lot of children in poor families. Life and love in the face of hardship. Added source of income makes up for the investment and strain on the limited income at hand in the end and is ultimately just a bonus considering not every kid makes it that far.

[Wilfire]

Yes, it is. What's your plan to ensure the people who are fucking that you don't want to fuck are prevented from fucking?

I am one of those people, by the way, I fuck my husband every night. I promise you do NOT want me to have kids, but, as long as I fuck my husband every night, I might have a kid!

Using anecdotal evidence to blast contraception, having an unplanned child just because (read: could have gotten an abortion) and raving to strangers about how much you like to fuck your husband. I can see why you're getting your panties in a twist over hypothetical regulation.

This thread is a good case-study of why the poverty trap exists. Complete lack of desire to improve one's own welfare + a healthy dose of government-related paranoia = good times.

Government regulation exists because irresponsible people can't exercise their vaunted "rights and freedoms" without infringing on the rights and freedoms of others.

[Total Crica]

Government regulation exists

Yes, it does. Not the kind narcissists want to exist, however, in the US. They will have to breed a hellava lot more narcissists in order to have the government regulation they desire. Otherwise, the people who actually possess empathy for other people will continue to decide government regulation, sorry.

[hakujinbakasama]

Because there are several things the human animal considers sacred and an innate right. Having kids is one of them, it is believed that interfering in someone's ability to breed is always and forever morally Hitler. It's not ideal but we're not robots and so many things that'd be good for us won't ever happen. It's why meth head jane can pump out broken babies year after year, sireing a generation of wasted money and suffering- but attempting to force sterilise her or mandate abortion is met with the most savage outcry.

The right to reproduce is considered more important then quality of life

That's fine but at the same logic each person is entitled to their labor. Thus, have your shitty kids and stay the fuck out of my wallet. But unfortunately that's not how liberals allow things to go. Instead they force everyone to take care of irresponsible people's decisions and then vilify those who do not agree.

[Total Crica]

dont worry it will keep changing people wont put up for this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...nefit_transfer

That link only illustrates that welfare benefits have become digitized and easier to manage, not that enough competent people want the government job you are offering to hire them for.