Why Are Americans not Revolting?

[oxymoronic]

Nations that have wealth redistribution programs are consistently the happiest in the world.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/norway-...untry-of-2017/

/facepalm

when you steal from the few and give to the many, the many are happy? who would have thought.

[Gaidax]

And when those people DO go get a higher education, and get saddled with a massive student loan debt, you then say they shouldn't have been so stupid as to go to college. It's almost as if you're a hypocritical spoiled brat who has never worked a day in his life.

"Massive" - I paid off my loan just fine (as a matter of fact final payment this month), because what one earns as a result of getting necessary skills far outweighs the costs. Money is not something that should stop person from getting education and yes this is tough working and studying at the same time, that's why most prefer to live in shit their whole lives instead by making up excuses like "student loans".

There are more than enough options to mitigate, split and cover the costs of education to the point where this is a non-starter argument.

[Sky High]

you haven't built enough Apocalypse tanks to enact the glorious Soviet revolution!

[Stormspellz]

I think the question should be, why are Americans not taking responsibility for their own fuck ups.

Most people that work minimum wage jobs do so because they never bothered to gain any useful life skills growing up and now work minimum wage and blame everyone else for it.

The "progressive" movement in America these days is nothing but lazy irresponsible idiots wanting handouts because they failed at life.

This is also the reason a revolution wouldn't work, because no one with any real sense or motivation would waste their time.

straight up republican rhetoric propaganda text book response.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
43 percent have Internet access.
One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

96 percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry at any time during the year because they could not afford food.
83 percent of poor families reported having enough food to eat.
82 percent of poor adults reported never being hungry at any time in the prior year due to lack of money for food.
Other government surveys show that the average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and is well above recommended norms in most cases.

Television newscasts about poverty in America generally portray the poor as homeless people or as a destitute family living in an overcrowded, dilapidated trailer. In fact, however:

Over the course of a year, 4 percent of poor persons become temporarily homeless.
Only 9.5 percent of the poor live in mobile homes or trailers, 49.5 percent live in separate single-family houses or townhouses, and 40 percent live in apartments.
42 percent of poor households actually own their own homes.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the typical non-poor person in Sweden, France, or the United Kingdom.
The vast majority of the homes or apartments of the poor are in good repair.

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-...ng-facts-about

The poor pretty much have everything the rich do, it's just not as lavish or new.

Technology gets cheaper over time...

[Gaidax]

you haven't built enough Apocalypse tanks to enact the glorious Soviet revolution!

Apocalypse tank rocks, I think all the forum commies need to throw everything and just build the thing - I'll join just out of cool factor.

[Super Kami Dende]

straight up republican rhetoric propaganda text book response.

how was that propaganda at all?

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"Massive" - I paid off my loan just fine (as a matter of fact final payment this month), because what one earns as a result of getting necessary skills far outweighs the costs. Money is not something that should stop person from getting education and yes this is tough working and studying at the same time, that's why most prefer to live in shit their whole lives instead by making up excuses like "student loans".

There are more than enough options to mitigate, split and cover the costs of education to the point where this is a non-starter argument.

You didn't get sick when you were studying or experience half a dozen other problems which could have interfered with your career development.

From reading your post you are one of those people who can't envisage circumstances being different to your life experience. Which means you lack basic empathy and social skills, an understanding of probability theory or statistics in general, are dogmatic, lack creativity and probably a really awful employee doomed to a very mediocre existence. Congratulations on finding employment because you must have searched really hard to find an employer desperate enough to take you.

(Btw Just a guess but did one of Daddy's friends give you a job? That seems to be surprisingly common with your sort.)

[Queen of Hamsters]

Because the middle class is too busy labeling those at the bottom as "lazy fuck-ups not taking charge of their own fortune"?

They'll wake up and smell the bacon at some point. Not sure when, considering their Capitalist-worship.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

"Massive" - I paid off my loan just fine (as a matter of fact final payment this month), because what one earns as a result of getting necessary skills far outweighs the costs. Money is not something that should stop person from getting education and yes this is tough working and studying at the same time, that's why most prefer to live in shit their whole lives instead by making up excuses like "student loans".

There are more than enough options to mitigate, split and cover the costs of education to the point where this is a non-starter argument.

Not everyone has the aptitude or time for that college and you don't need to finish college to make a decent living. Why anyone would support gambling with a loan to get out of poverty I will never understand. We have alternatives like community college, vocational schools. and apprenticeships. We need to stop this push for an expensive 4 year college or bust.

[Stormspellz]

80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
43 percent have Internet access.
One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

96 percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry at any time during the year because they could not afford food.
83 percent of poor families reported having enough food to eat.
82 percent of poor adults reported never being hungry at any time in the prior year due to lack of money for food.
Other government surveys show that the average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and is well above recommended norms in most cases.

Television newscasts about poverty in America generally portray the poor as homeless people or as a destitute family living in an overcrowded, dilapidated trailer. In fact, however:

Over the course of a year, 4 percent of poor persons become temporarily homeless.
Only 9.5 percent of the poor live in mobile homes or trailers, 49.5 percent live in separate single-family houses or townhouses, and 40 percent live in apartments.
42 percent of poor households actually own their own homes.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the typical non-poor person in Sweden, France, or the United Kingdom.
The vast majority of the homes or apartments of the poor are in good repair.

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-...ng-facts-about

The poor pretty much have everything the rich do, it's just not as lavish or new.

heritage foundation?! ahah Whats next asking ken ham about evolution? And is this the report that classified poor as people make up to 45k?

[Stormspellz]

how was that propaganda at all?

no facts, statistics, and a lot of sensationalism

[Dastreus]

Because Americans are apathetic and afraid.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

heritage foundation?! ahah Whats next asking ken ham about evolution? And is this the report that classified poor as people make up to 45k?

I love how they didn't compare housing to 1970 but technology was a ok even though it just get cheaper to produce. Inb4 why is income higher than because of population/inflation.

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It's funny because it's actually socialism ideology which is raising the minimum wage which is killing the middle class. Minimum wage goes up which "helps the poor people" (translation: Drives up the cost of living, yet fuck tards for some reason can't see that) and employers don't raise wages for their employees because they don't have to, which means their wages go down with every increase of minimum wage.

Do you have proof of this claim because every study I've seen says the opposite.

[Gaidax]

You didn't get sick when you were studying or experience half a dozen other problems which could have interfered with your career development.

From reading your post you are one of those people who can't envisage circumstances being different to your life experience. Which means you lack basic empathy and social skills, an understanding of probability theory or statistics in general, are dogmatic, lack creativity and probably a really awful employee doomed to a very mediocre existence. Congratulations on finding employment because you must have searched really hard to find an employer desperate enough to take you.

(Btw Just a guess but did one of Daddy's friends give you a job? That seems to be surprisingly common with your sort.)

My Daddy died when I was 13 of the heart attack and my mommy was 55 years old housewife who depended on daddy, because he was the breadwinner and not that much of a breadwinner to be honest.

I paid for my education myself, I worked 6 days a week shifts AND studied at the same time because I had no "daddy" to shower me with $$ while I fuck girls and drink beer/smoke weed every 3 days like some luckier peers did. I failed quite a few courses which extended my studies by a year and a bit, because I fucking dare you to work 6 days a week AND keep up with evening studies without failing and repeating some courses.

I am pulling my family off dirt by my own bloody hands. Don't patronize or try to profile me, trash.

[cubby]

Income inequality in the U.S. is the highest among all developed nations. With the federal minimum wage being only $7.25 per hour, people are living in modern slavery just making enough money to barely survive. The republicans in the senate just voted to give an express lane that is going to make inequality far worse.

How long can this go on without some kind of major revolution?

It's a good question, one that is a bit early. Right now the U.S. is working to reverse the thing we were apparently tricked into electing (although most of us saw it coming and tried to warn others - to no avail). It was shocking to see that entire mind-set roll into the white house, and it will take literally decades to fully heal - if we do at all.

The United States has a LOT still going for it. A legal system that will hopefully remove the stain that is currently occupying the white house, and hopefully root out a lot of the other evil that has taken root. We still have a robust economy and are the greatest military might in the world. We have private leaders who are taking us down amazing roads of development while universities continue to push the threshold of new discovery.

The income inequality issue is extremely disconcerting. We have 1%'ers making 3x-15x what they were a decade ago and regular wages are stagnant, at best. We have several western countries to copy and create better overall policies, but we are stuck with several backward states that are caught in feedback loops of lies and misconceptions. Because of this, the same people continue to populate our legislative branches, continuing the downward trend/spiral.

Coupled with poor education policies and a continued underfunding of most k-12 schools, the future is bleak. Those that see what is happening are stymied by others who can spin anything to look "good", and keep their mindless voters punching the tickets, to their own detriment. We have a political party who is essentially owned by big business, and have just now gotten passed a tax plan that essentially fucks the entire nation, save those that paid for those politicians to get elected.

What will the future bring? Who knows? I see a Handmaid's Tale developing within the mindset of the United States. I also see people fighting back against tyranny and fascism, creating a more open mind and intolerance of evil. Are we at the brink of a revolution - no. Not even close. In fact, most signs point towards the tension backing down and a restoration of normalcy and order coming soon.

We will have to wait and see. I can say, that for me, the biggest issue will be if Trump remains in office past 2020. If he makes it through eight years I think we will be in very, very big trouble, with a revolution brewing at that point.

So why aren't we revolting? Because there is still much to hope for.

[dwightyo39]

We Americans hate each other way more than we could ever concern ourselves with some other country.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Proof that minimum wage increase increases the cost of living?

Proof that the increase in cost of living out grows the increased purchasing power.(I don't like the minimum wage either it just the only thing that will work in the united states.)

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My Daddy died when I was 13 of the heart attack and my mommy was 55 years old housewife who depended on daddy, because he was the breadwinner and not that much of a breadwinner to be honest.

I paid for my education myself, I worked 6 days a week shifts AND studied at the same time because I had no "daddy" to shower me with $$ while I fuck girls and drink beer/smoke weed every 3 days like some luckier peers did. I failed quite a few courses which extended my studies by a year and a bit, because I fucking dare you to work 6 days a week AND keep up with evening studies without failing and repeating some courses.

I am pulling my family off dirt by my own bloody hands. Don't patronize or try to profile me, trash.

You do know there are alternatives? Like apprenticeships that pay or once again community college...

[THE Bigzoman]

Yeah, getting their taxes raised and services cut. Brilliant move there.

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There's a far cry between Stalinist communism and democratic socialism, but then, conservatives have never been good at nuance.

You can bring about democratic socialism via revolt?

Because one of the "nuances" you're describing is exactly that. One of the two things you list come about via revolt, which falls under what Tony described here.

[Adam Jensen]

You can bring about democratic socialism via revolt?

Because one of the "nuances" you're describing is exactly that. One of the two things you list come about via revolt, which falls under what Tony described here.

I don't support a revolt. I support progressive movements, but I don't support violence. I never said I supported violence. All I said in this thread on revolt was that violent action would go nowhere.