I gave a perfectly valid reason as to why these people don't qualify for the selective outrage on display here. You ignoring it, and then taking the last part of my post, which was pretty obviously not meant to be taken seriously, as serious is entirely on you. You focusing on the shitposting and ignoring the actual valid point I made is not my problem.
They're Finnish Nazis, they have a history of violence, and a private boat company in Finland doesn't want them on their boat. Simple as that. There is no fucking basis of comparison with an American bakery that refused service to homosexuals due solely to their sexual orientation, which is patently fucking illegal in the United States Of America, until the point if/when the courts see otherwise.
I see no discussion to be had here, I was never interested in any discussion here to begin with, and I honestly don't even know why you wasted your time and mine by quoting me. So this is me taking my leave. Better shit to do.
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9 out of 10 people agree that in a room full of 10 people one person will always disagree with the other 9.
... But wut about dem Antifa??
I'm not surprised, the "men" involved in that particular movement tend to be anything but Boy scouts. I wouldn't want a large number of their kind in an enclosed space, on water at that. Especially seeing as how there would probably be many different cultures represented on that boat.
I'm not ignoring it. I am wanting to dive deeper into this discussion to try and dissect the reasoning and find out exactly what it is that causes a person to be legally allowed to refuse service to a person. I agree that this company should be allowed to refuse to service these people, but I myself never brought up the gay bakery. That was either you or somebody else in this thread that might have been involved in this discussion before I entered into it. Furthermore you misrepresent the gay bakery case anyway, claiming that they were refused service only because they were gay, which they weren't. They were refused service on the grounds that the bakery didn't want to cater a gay wedding. It was about the event they were asked to cater to, not the people doing the asking.
Now then, what do you think would be just barely sufficient reasoning for refusing to service somebody because of who they are or what they are? Where do we draw the line between Nazis and 'I was born this way'? There has to be somewhere in between. If you don't wish to have this discussion, then just say so.
“Humanism means that the man is the measure of all things...But it is not only that man must start from himself in the area of knowledge and learning, but any value system must come arbitrarily from man himself by arbitrary choice.” - Francis A. Schaeffer
Why is it every time someone mentions refusal to serve we end up comparing LGBT people to motherfucking nazis?
What does that say about how we feel about LGBT folks?
Because refusal of service is a big discussion with no clear universal answer ever given? Why can we refuse to service X but not Y? We need to fill X and Y with reasons to or to not serve, and find what all of those reasons are, instead of just always saying that X is Nazis and Y are duh poor gays.
“Humanism means that the man is the measure of all things...But it is not only that man must start from himself in the area of knowledge and learning, but any value system must come arbitrarily from man himself by arbitrary choice.” - Francis A. Schaeffer
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
One of the basic strategies of fringe political groups is to doing something peaceful and then have the government strip them of their rights. This is used as a recruiting tool to swell their ranks. For example, there were peaceful groups of blacks that sat at a Woolworth lunch counter in the 1960s which was, at the time, banned. The act of the blacks just peacefully attempting to use the lunch counter and getting denied was used to sell people on joining their cause.
In this case, you have nazis attempting to peacefully use a ferry boat and getting denied by the government. its a very hard sell to say this was a violent act. Getting denied the ferry is actually the result the nazis hoped for. Now they go back to local rallies and use this to recruit. They can say this is an unjust world for them and their kind.
By the book, this should backfire tremendously.
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Anything can get washed clean. The fastest way to wash it clean is for government to start stripping rights from people. That will wash it clean really really fast. Can Nazism be sanitized? Absolutely. And things like banning the ferry trip is exactly how to sanitize Nazism. Make no mistake, they WANTED that ban.
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May 30th, 2019 - Trump admits Russia helped him get elected.
An elected Republican called for biblical law to be implemented and for all non-christians to be murdered. But it's sharia law we should be scared about right?
Republicans ran an actual Nazi for office in 2018 and he got nearly 1/3rd of the votes.
What are you on about?
Nazism exists because of very specific ideals. it's not even some vague bullshit like the southern US tries to pull with "southern pride" and "tradition" and whatnot when trying to prop up the confederacy.
It's a party that wholesale came into power based on the ideals of extreme nationalism, ethnic superiority, and anti-antisemitism, to name a few things.
Like, you can't NOT make it about those things. Nor are Neo-nazis any significant departure from the "classic" nazis. The neo-nazis don't represent new ideas or new takes or new positions in line with the modern world. They're just the latest group trying to sell ethnic superiority, anti-Semitic nonsense.
I mean, if 40 years from now a bunch of muslim terrorists named themselves Neo-ISIS while extolling the virtues of ISIS, muslim extremism, preached death to the west and championed the leaders of ISIS would you go "well wait just a hot second now guys, let's not judge these guys... they aren't ISIS, they're NEO-ISIS! totally different!"
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Wait... wait... hold on a minute.In between getting shot and raped by the police or groped and threatened by the democrat politicians, sure.
In your smug "FTFY", you had to change "shot and raped" to "groped and threatened" to make it work at all?
Ahahahahahahaha!
And of course you just left the police part in there.
That's an embarrassing effort worthy of special highlight.