How are DKs still accepted in Horde OR Alliance?

[ONCHEhap]

DKs shouldn't have to pay for Blizzard's excessively bad writting for us in Legion

[Kagthul]

This is no longer the case as of WoD. You took over and commanded your faction's forces in the assault on Draenor. Word spreading of this deed is what makes the leaders treat you as a revered member of your class and ultimately lead to you becoming the leader of your order.

Canonically, we are members of our faction army now.

No, we were in charge of our factions’ forces on AU Draennor. That has ended with our return to Azeroth, and theres been no further indication that were still a general - in fact, the reason we end up leading our class Order is because the Alliance and the Horde have been basically useless at countering the Legion threat, and we essentially leave any post we had with our faction to lead our class order and actually get shit done.

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No no, you don't simply participate you order each and every atrocity committed. At several point Darion is like don't do this. There is no coming back from this and you say nope we are doing it.

You can't even blame the Lich King. As far as the world is concerned the Lich King is dead and you alone are ordering the Ebon Blade to commit each and everyone of these depraved evils.

Youre awfully fond of the word “atrocity”.

Care to name something the Ebon Blade did that is an actual atrocity?

[iETHOSi]

This is how I see the Death Knights still being accepted into the Horde and Alliance. Let the Death Knights into your faction to have their immense power at your disposal, with knowing the fact at any point you can and likely will have friendly casualties. Or, you can refuse them joining your faction, kick out the remaining ones and then face a war with the likes of which you will not win.

[Friendlyimmolation]

This is how I see the Death Knights still being accepted into the Horde and Alliance. Let the Death Knights into your faction to have their immense power at your disposal, with knowing the fact at any point you can and likely will have friendly casualties. Or, you can refuse them joining your faction, kick out the remaining ones and then face a war with the likes of which you will not win.

Fairly certain the Ebon blade would not survive fighting the alliance and the Horde.

[iETHOSi]

Fairly certain the Ebon blade would not survive fighting the alliance and the Horde.

The ability to raise the dead can be a very powerful and underestimated tool. Just think about plague being spread to a wide range of tightly grouped soldiers, then having them raised to fight with the Ebon Blade. That can become a big problem, very quick!

[Heladys]

Because you said sorry all nice and stuff.

[Halwyn]

Fairly certain the Ebon blade would not survive fighting the alliance and the Horde.

Alone - the wouldn't. With Lich King backing them up - it's a whole new story. After all, no one is sure what Bolvar (Ner'zul, more likely) has been up to all those years, if he wanted to he could already built an army rivaling Arthas'. And there were that little details about Arthas wanting an elite strike force for the lulz as the only reason we've actually won.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The ability to raise the dead can be a very powerful and underestimated tool. Just think about plague being spread to a wide range of tightly grouped soldiers, then having them raised to fight with the Ebon Blade. That can become a big problem, very quick!

They wouldn’t be able to do much before all the warlocks/paladins/priests/mages/shamans/hunters/warriors/druids/demon hunters/rogues/monks were on their ass

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Alone - the wouldn't. With Lich King backing them up - it's a whole new story. After all, no one is sure what Bolvar (Ner'zul, more likely) has been up to all those years, if he wanted to he could already built an army rivaling Arthas'. And there were that little details about Arthas wanting an elite strike force for the lulz as the only reason we've actually won.

The highlord alone is stronger than any previous wielder of the ashbringer, it would end very poorly for the Ebon blade and the lich king.

[Halwyn]

The highlord alone is stronger than any previous wielder of the ashbringer, it would end very poorly for the Ebon blade and the lich king.

Doubtful even IF they had an Ashbringer... Which they won't, since Sargeras' little parting gift. And without all the toys? The Highlord is still a mortal, the Lich King is still a demigod, and if it is NZ now, he's wise enough to learn from Arthas' mistake.

[Bigby]

Same reason neutral groups still allow Forsaken PCs into them.

There isn't one really.

[Mirishka]

Dusted off my DK recently and leveled him to 110. He was my main from WotLK through WoD, but I hadn't played him in Legion until just this past week. I knew a little bit about the DK order hall campaign from these forums, but wow - it was darker and more ruthless than I imagined. We didn't just try to sneak in and steal Tiron's corpse; we full on attacked Light's Hope Chapel, killing paladins and rezzing corpses to fight against their former allies. Now I'm doing the class mount quests and we are strangulating Bronze Dragons and about to attack Red Dragons who have already told us to leave.

And yet the paladin and dragon quest givers (e.g., Chromie) will still treat me like a hero as if none of this ever happened?

You ask a valid question, but its possible to do the red dragon/mount stuff without killing any of them.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Doubtful even IF they had an Ashbringer... Which they won't, since Sargeras' little parting gift. And without all the toys? The Highlord is still a mortal, the Lich King is still a demigod, and if it is NZ now, he's wise enough to learn from Arthas' mistake.

Ner’zhul is dead buddy.

And Arthas got killed by the combined forces of Azeroth, now they are even stronger. Perhaps the horde and Alliance would pause to laugh before they wiped the lich king out along with the Ebon blade, but they would wipe them out.

[Halwyn]

Ner’zhul is dead buddy.

And Arthas got killed by the combined forces of Azeroth, now they are even stronger. Perhaps the horde and Alliance would pause to laugh before they wiped the lich king out along with the Ebon blade, but they would wipe them out.

You people chanting "NZ is dead" just because some dev said that a few expansions ago. He isn't dead. And if you connect some dots and THINK about it, you'd come up with only two explanations of what LK is now. First is "NZ is alive", second "Something in Helm drives Bolvar to evil". And since the Helm is the vessel of NZ's spirit (ironically) and is NOT made of saronite, take a wild guess which one is correct.

And since you either have no clue or just ignorant, it seems, just a quick rundown of pretty obvious canon-stated things.

Arthas KILLED the entire elite force of Azeroth. All by himself. Literally. He killed us with a single spell, and he could do it anytime he wanted to. Guess also what? He was in his weakened state from getting his heart destroyed in "Tirion's Gambit" (remember that bit when we GTFO'd out of there when he attempted the same spell he killed us with in ICC?)
What else? He held the might of the Scourge back, so we could get to him for that little test in a first place.
What else? Ashbringer is gone. So is pretty much EVERY powerful weapon in "Allied forces" arsenal. While EB actually lost only one, since neither Maw nor Apocalypse was in Arthas' possesion at any given time.
What else? Ebon Blade AND their Deathlord are still there, and will ran to him if it's "die or fight back".
What else? We've lost A TON of our strength constatnly fighting wars through expansions.
So no, if LK has EB and a new Scourge somewhere in Azol'Nerub hidden away from the world, and he puts his mind to using it, unlike Arthas, we're f*cked.

[Deleted]

And Arthas got killed by the combined forces of Azeroth, now they are even stronger. Perhaps the horde and Alliance would pause to laugh before they wiped the lich king out along with the Ebon blade, but they would wipe them out.

Aren't you missing the little particualr where both Sylvanas and Anduin states their faction are weaker than ever after the fight with the Legion?

Bolvar's scourge is pretty much the same Arthas had in WoTLK, so probably still the biggest army on the planet, and the Ebon Blade is stronger than ever since it has been raising knights and deads for the whole expansion, not to mention Daugmyr and her storm dragons, and the deathlord personal mount (the new Sindragosa whose name I will never remember).
By refusing and pushing the Ebon Blade, the organization that played a key role in the Northrend campaign, into Bolvar arms, the alliance and horde would be digging their own grave.

[Shiny212]

Still make more sense than the entire MoP expansion.

[Stormcall]

I fucking love the DK order hall(and the Forsaken) for this. In WoW it feels like everybody has to be constant lawful good overdrive, no exceptions, why? It gets boring as shit, you can be a protagonist and still be morally gray damn it.

Erm, well, going and straight up murdering your allies is not "morally gray", it's full on crossing the line into villainy.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Aren't you missing the little particualr where both Sylvanas and Anduin states their faction are weaker than ever after the fight with the Legion?

Bolvar's scourge is pretty much the same Arthas had in WoTLK, so probably still the biggest army on the planet, and the Ebon Blade is stronger than ever since it has been raising knights and deads for the whole expansion, not to mention Daugmyr and her storm dragons, and the deathlord personal mount (the new Sindragosa whose name I will never remember).
By refusing and pushing the Ebon Blade, the organization that played a key role in the Northrend campaign, into Bolvar arms, the alliance and horde would be digging their own grave.

A weakness both factions fix with the addition of their allied races and the illidari.

This worship of Bolvar as some master tactician/ powerful demigod is hilarious. You include their zombie dragons but seem to have forgotten every other thing every other order hall has.

The only grave being dug would be the Ebon blade and the scourge, they got their shit kicked in at lights hope with the element of surprise, and now both factions will hate them/ not trust them at all.

[Tripzzz]

Ner’zhul is dead buddy.

And Arthas got killed by the combined forces of Azeroth, now they are even stronger. Perhaps the horde and Alliance would pause to laugh before they wiped the lich king out along with the Ebon blade, but they would wipe them out.

If the alliance and horde failed to work together to defeat the Legion, why the hell do you think they would work together to defeat the lich king? Also the fact they would have to work together means the Ebon blade would wipe out the Horde or Alliance if it was one at a time. You underestimate the power of the death knights.

[Friendlyimmolation]

You people chanting "NZ is dead" just because some dev said that a few expansions ago. He isn't dead. And if you connect some dots and THINK about it, you'd come up with only two explanations of what LK is now. First is "NZ is alive", second "Something in Helm drives Bolvar to evil". And since the Helm is the vessel of NZ's spirit (ironically) and is NOT made of saronite, take a wild guess which one is correct.

And since you either have no clue or just ignorant, it seems, just a quick rundown of pretty obvious canon-stated things.

Arthas KILLED the entire elite force of Azeroth. All by himself. Literally. He killed us with a single spell, and he could do it anytime he wanted to. Guess also what? He was in his weakened state from getting his heart destroyed in "Tirion's Gambit" (remember that bit when we GTFO'd out of there when he attempted the same spell he killed us with in ICC?)
What else? He held the might of the Scourge back, so we could get to him for that little test in a first place.
What else? Ashbringer is gone. So is pretty much EVERY powerful weapon in "Allied forces" arsenal. While EB actually lost only one, since neither Maw nor Apocalypse was in Arthas' possesion at any given time.
What else? Ebon Blade AND their Deathlord are still there, and will ran to him if it's "die or fight back".
What else? We've lost A TON of our strength constatnly fighting wars through expansions.
So no, if LK has EB and a new Scourge somewhere in Azol'Nerub hidden away from the world, and he puts his mind to using it, unlike Arthas, we're f*cked.

Multiple devs including Metzen said Nz is dead and gone. No matter how much this hurts your headcanon.

Arthas also had frostmourne, Bolvar doesn’t.

Sorry buddy, Bolvar can’t even control the scourge outside of Northrend, he’d probably be just as pathetic as the Iron Horde is we fight him.

Once again to hammer away at your fortress of headcanon, blizzard said Nerzhul is gone.

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If the alliance and horde failed to work together to defeat the Legion, why the hell do you think they would work together to defeat the lich king? Also the fact they would have to work together means the Ebon blade would wile out the Horde or Alliance if it was one at a time. You underestimate the power of the death knights.

Because the strong lich king was already killed. Bolvar is not Arthas.

Everyone here is treating the death knights like gods, no one is going to trust the Ebon blade anyways.


Not to mention the legion was a hell of a lot bigger and manipulative threat that the scourge, who spells subtly with a sledgehammer.

[Tripzzz]

Multiple devs including Metzen said Nz is dead and gone. No matter how much this hurts your headcanon.

Arthas also had frostmourne, Bolvar doesn’t.

Sorry buddy, Bolvar can’t even control the scourge outside of Northrend, he’d probably be just as pathetic as the Iron Horde is we fight him.

Once again to hammer away at your fortress of headcanon, blizzard said Nerzhul is gone.

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Because the strong lich king was already killed. Bolvar is not Arthas.

Everyone here is treating the death knights like gods, no one is going to trust the Ebon blade anyways.


Not to mention the legion was a hell of a lot bigger and manipulative threat that the scourge, who spells subtly with a sledgehammer.

Lich king bolvar has a part of Arthas still inside of him. That means the lich king is far stronger than you claim. Alex afrasiabi said so himself, so it is canon.

"Part of Arthas inhabited (and still inhabits) the Lich King."

https://mobile.twitter.com/alex_afra...6178?locale=ar


The only people who know what the Dks did are either dumb as fuck(liadrin and the paladins) or all dead(red dragons). No one else cares.