Wouldn't WoW's expansions and stories be more fun if the bad guy occasionally won?

[Flutterguy]

Would OP be ready for the "rehashed" arguments to arise?

[Zuben]

I definitely agree! So far the Iron Horde has been the worst offender of villain incompetence before the glorious might of CHAMPIONS OF AZEROTH. After all that build up pre-release...

[Gourmandise]

If it's anything like how the Dragon Age Inq defeat at haven worked, I'd welcome it. That was some cool stuff, getting wrecked and coming back on top (with an awesome castle)!

[Imnick]

Villains do win and get away pretty often and people hate it.

[Gourmandise]

Villains do win and get away pretty often and people hate it.

What are some examples. Are they crappy deus ex machinas like garrosh escaping or legit stompings that the people don't like.

[Destinas]

I feel like the most of a win the bad guys get is what we've already seen - getting away to be a bad guy again another day. Though, it would be interesting to at least once be pushed back entirely. It would be something to keep us on our toes, lore-wise.

[Deleted]

Well technically Arthas did win.
It was just because Tirion and the Ashbringer we came back.
We were dead on the floor and about to get rezzed and turned into slaves.

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Pretty sure Deathwing was the sole victor of the War of the Ancients.

Losing his sanity, massive permanent damage and not even keeping his creation is not what i would call winning.

[Elim Garak]

Well technically Arthas did win.
It was just because Tirion and the Ashbringer we came back.
We were dead on the floor and about to get rezzed and turned into slaves.

It was Tirion's cunning plan all along so no, Arthas didn't win. He was played like the tiniest violin.

[Deleted]

Theramore.

[sykoex]

How would this actually play out in a gameplay scenario? You queue for LFR, reach Blackhand, and he one-shots the raid no matter what you do and there's no reward? Or do you get his life to zero, get loot, but then a cutscene plays showing that you in fact got your butt kicked?

[Jessicka]

How would this actually play out in a gameplay scenario? You queue for LFR, reach Blackhand, and he one-shots the raid no matter what you do and there's no reward? Or do you get his life to zero, get loot, but then a cutscene plays showing that you in fact got your butt kicked?

You mean, like a cutscene where "There must always be a Lich King", Garrosh escaping, Kil'jaeden being pushed back through the Sunwell... Finishing off the final boss entirely basically only happened to Deathwing - and that wasn't us doing it.

[Findus707]

It has happened over and over again where the bad guy has killed a hero.
The Bad guys has won multiple battles if you just bother to read through the books, or play through Warcraft 1 - 3 story.
Arthas killed us all, he won.
But we got resurrected :P

[sykoex]

You mean, like a cutscene where "There must always be a Lich King", Garrosh escaping, Kil'jaeden being pushed back through the Sunwell... Finishing off the final boss entirely basically only happened to Deathwing - and that wasn't us doing it.

Good point. Seems like we lose pretty often.