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    Just grab Lee Sin Duill. Too versatile and strong to pass up, although he kind of doesn't actually have the incredible strong lategame that most other traditional assassins have (Has to be some trade off for the amount of mobility, disruption, and early game strength he provides). End the game by 30-40 with him.

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    For anyone looking for tanky/DPS I highly recommend Jarvan (or J4).

    He has great survivability and can overall turn the tide of a team fight. His E/Q knockup hitting all 5 people also does 3 things:

    1. Knocks them all up, disabling for a second (channeled ults I'm looking at you).
    2. Provides your Party with Atk Speed and Armor
    3. Reduces the armor of all targets you hit.

    Your AD carry suddenly is hitting targets with 26% less armor while they have around 20% more atk speed and armor. Plug numbers in and see how well that turns the tide. Not only that you can do a lot of damage with other champions with strong ults. Wukong spinning on 3 people? Ult on them so they can't run away from it. Nunu channeling in the bush? Trap 3 or 4 of them with him so the ult does maximum damage. His shield also blocks a decent chunk of damage when you hit 3 or 4 champions with it (upwards of 400 damage).

    Decent build order while jungling:

    Cloth Armor and health pots x5. Depending on how well you're doing...

    Boots or finish Madreds.
    Boots then finish Wriggles. I get Berserker Greaves personally but it depends on if you're going more offtank or more damage based.
    Heart of Gold
    Wits End
    Frozen Mallet
    Atmas.

    After that you have to judge the game. You can sell the wriggles for a warmogs or get some resist (thornmail/Force of Nature).
    I also think Quicksilver is amazing on him since he gets in your face so fast you're usually the target of SOME type of CC. Having a Jarvan immune to CC in your face smashing you gets scary fast.

    His passive also requires a lot of target switching. Don't just focus the Cait, get a hit on the cait, then the annie and the support if you can. Don't forget to focus the target but still make use of his passive. 10% damage is nothing to scoff at it does apply the Frozen mallet slow if they're trying to chase.

    For Runes, I usually do Armor Pen reds, Armor yellows and then it gets switched up:
    Blue can be either MR/level or CD/R per level, depending on how you play.
    Quints can be more Armor pen or Health, again depending on how you play. I personally run 25 Armor, 8.62% cdr at max level and 13 armor on my jarvan.

    Finally, masteries I run 10/11/9, utilizing the duration buff in support, health/resistances in defense and Armor pen in Attack.

    Overall Jarvan's a fantastic hero if you're looking for someone who can jungle or top solo. By starting with the armor/your E skill first, you also maximize your armo (64 at level one) for those AD carries who go top (looking at Riven or Fiora). Jarvan is a great duelist since his passive has a 6 second cooldown so feel free to just hit your opponent once or twice and run. Hitting with an E/Q combo and an auto can easily do about 25%-50% of someones life. Getting the early wriggles also gives you access to wards which allow you to ward areas while jungling or keep your lane warded if you're solo top.

    Hope this helped! Any questions feel free to post them and I'll be happy to answer to them!

    Edit: Forgot to note summoner skills: Always run Flash on him. I know that's sort of the cop out skill right now in LoL and EVERYONE runs it but a flash, Q/E combo into an ult can let you jump from one turret to another in a team fight VERY quickly. Your other skill differs; in the jungle you obviously run smite, but in the lane you can run Exhaust or Ignite really effectively. Exhaust lets you appear weak to your opponents: If you get First Blood or force your lane back and you're at half, laugh when the lee sin jumps on you only to be knocked up with your combo, take damage then get exhausted as you wreck his face in.

    Honestly Jarvan's a fantastic hero. He does take a while to get used to but he's almost unstoppable. This song also does a great job of summing it all up:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQa-pqkmKg

    Enjoy!
    Last edited by Solmyr13; 2012-05-01 at 01:03 AM.

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    orianna 4sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenlnir View Post
    I heard he was a beast in the mid, and that's what I usually play. I have a ton of people that can do mid, but nothing that can really counter anyone, except maybe malz. So with that, is Mord still a viable choice, or should I continue looking?
    Morde can obliterate most of usual mids. The only problem is pushing your lane, but if you have jungler that can do some crazy counter-jungle (Shyvana), you will be fine. You can also invest in one ward, and keep yourself to the warded side of lane.
    I would highly recommend you playing him with health regen runes, so it negates health cost
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    So, having spent a ton of IP on champs I don't really play that much, I'm looking to find a couple of champs that are versatile enough to fit a couple of roles and fit my playstyle well enough that I can play them almost exclusively. Hopefully that'll mean I can both get good with them, and know them well enough that I can focus on my mechanics, the map etc. I have an idea on what champs these two will end up being, but would like to see other opinions.

    First one - ability to poke/farm well, can play any lane (so some sustain), good mobility and teamfight presence.
    Second - Don't like playing 0 CS sustain support like Soraka/Sona, so looking for a more aggressive/unorthodox supporty character with heavy disruption for kill lane/teamfights, though flexibility is also good.

    Champs I currently own are:

    Ashe, Akali, Kayle, Morgana, Poppy, Udyr, Pantheon, Taric, Annie, Ryze, Tristana, Yi, Karma. First 5 are the ones I play most often.

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    1) Kennen
    2) Alistar, Blitzcrank, Nunu, Poppy (!), Sion

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    1st one definetely kennen, maybe twisted fate, though twisted fate AD is kind of meh imo.
    2nd one it really depends on you, there's a lot of champion combinatons which can work out well if u wanna be aggressive at bottom, I've seen stuff like Ryze, Morgana and even Kennen work, maybe you want to try Nidalee or Zilean, Nidalee can heal but also can be very aggressive with spears, Zilean can be agressive with bombs and his speed/slow, also, his ult is pretty damn good. Besides that the ones Duilliath mentioned are good choices too.

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    Guess that's Kennen sorted, thanks guys. That was the one I was thinking of.

    As for the second one, I actually have Nunu and play him a lot with Kog, dunno how I forgot. Will try Nidalee while she's free this week. Also have Lux (derp) who I use a fair bit in that role. Never had much success with Morgana/Ryze and didn't think of Poppy. The ones I was considering were Nautilus (who can jungle too, which is a bonus) and Blitz - never got on with Alistair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solmyr13 View Post
    For anyone looking for tanky/DPS I highly recommend Jarvan (or J4).
    The story of Jarvan.

    Enjoy!
    Everytime I see a Jarvan, all I can think of is:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daine View Post

    First one - ability to poke/farm well, can play any lane (so some sustain), good mobility and teamfight presence.
    Second - Don't like playing 0 CS sustain support like Soraka/Sona, so looking for a more aggressive/unorthodox supporty character with heavy disruption for kill lane/teamfights, though flexibility is also good.

    Champs I currently own are:

    Ashe, Akali, Kayle, Morgana, Poppy, Udyr, Pantheon, Taric, Annie, Ryze, Tristana, Yi, Karma. First 5 are the ones I play most often.

    1 - I wholly agree w/ Kennen, but could also try Sion (can go AD for jungle/top, AP for mid/bot kill lane).

    2 - I saw you were thinking about Nautilus. This is a fantastic choice, as he makes for a good kill lane duo, can jungle, but is also a BEAST solo top that can trade with ANYONE and snowball just by maxing out his shield first. No other champ can trade like Nautilus. The only other support-ish champs you haven't covered are Leona and Blitzcrank. SupportCrank is amazingly fun, I highly recommend it. Leona...eh...I only play her when my buddy duo Qs with me and we do Lux / Leona bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    2 - I saw you were thinking about Nautilus. This is a fantastic choice, as he makes for a good kill lane duo, can jungle, but is also a BEAST solo top that can trade with ANYONE and snowball just by maxing out his shield first. No other champ can trade like Nautilus.
    I have to agree. I play Nautilus, but usually as a jungler. The few times I have played him solo top, I've been just as successful though. If you walk in with your shield up, they can either back off while you hit them a bit or attempt to trade with you, in which case they have to remove your shield before they do anything productive. He's also incredibly good at supporting jungle ganks, since he has so much cc. The only real downsides are that his damage is very low when his shield isn't up, and his mana is quite limited if you aren't good at managing it.

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    Sidenote about Leona: Leona + Jarvan kill lane.

    Just don't you ever dare play it against me, cos I seriously hate that crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaitoc View Post
    I have to agree. I play Nautilus, but usually as a jungler. The few times I have played him solo top, I've been just as successful though. If you walk in with your shield up, they can either back off while you hit them a bit or attempt to trade with you, in which case they have to remove your shield before they do anything productive. He's also incredibly good at supporting jungle ganks, since he has so much cc. The only real downsides are that his damage is very low when his shield isn't up, and his mana is quite limited if you aren't good at managing it.
    When Nautilus first came out...I saw a video of Rainman playing him top. He absolutely crushed a high ELO Tryndamere with such ease it was mind boggling.

    So, I had to try it myself. I actually despise jungling with Nautilus...not sure why, I just can't make it work (probably because jungling is my weakest assignment).

    But solo top? Holy hell is he stronk. Against typical bruisers up top, I just grab an early Glacial Shroud and laugh maniacally as they're constantly forced to call for jungle ganks or head back to base.

    Still trying to figure out a decent core item build. The problem with going full AP is that his coefficients aren't fantastic and you become a bit squishy...I see way too many Nautilus players with Deathcaps...which I strongly believe is just flat out wrong. I've also seen him played as a straight up bruiser w/ Wriggles, Triforce, etc...which I'm just not sure is all that efficient either.

    Just look at his role in team fights: soak damage, protect the carries.

    I really enjoy rushing a philo stone as it aids greatly to his mana issues...I typically end up building something like this:

    - Philo
    - Boots (usually Tabi, but Mercs if enemy comp requires)
    - Glacial Shroud
    - Rylai's
    - Kindlegem
    - Finish Frozen Heart
    - Finish Shurelyas

    Final Core
    - Boots
    - Frozen Heart
    - Rylai's
    - Shurelyas
    - Banshee's Veil

    So, how about that last item? More AP or just build against your opponents?


    OR - with this new item you could go:

    - Rush Chalice
    - Boots
    - Glacial Shroud
    - Finish Athene's Unholy Grail
    - Rylai's
    - Finish Frozen Heart
    - Banshee's Veil

    Final Core
    - Boots
    - Athene's
    - Frozen Heart
    - Rylai's
    - Banshee's Veil

    ^^ That build sounds tempting. Can you imagine a spam-happy Nautilus up top w/ infinite shields?

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    I was actually contemplating getting Naut... You guys are making me want him more!

    Question is do I get Nidalee for AD top or Naut..? Hmm choices choices.

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    Don't forget Abyssal Sceptre and get the best of both worlds.

    You -could- even consider Will of the Ancients, but I don't think that's a really strong pick, even with 2 'AP's like that. You could probably have your support be all happy about grabbing WotA for both you and your AP mid.

  16. #1316
    I never see Naut played and there didn't seem to be much fuss when he was released either (nothing like the Fiora hype), but his kit seems pretty awesome. No idea why that is. Pretty sure I'll end up grabbing him and Kennen, thanks for the feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solmyr13 View Post
    For anyone looking for tanky/DPS I highly recommend Jarvan (or J4).

    He has great survivability and can overall turn the tide of a team fight. His E/Q knockup hitting all 5 people also does 3 things:

    1. Knocks them all up, disabling for a second (channeled ults I'm looking at you).
    2. Provides your Party with Atk Speed and Armor
    3. Reduces the armor of all targets you hit.

    Your AD carry suddenly is hitting targets with 26% less armor while they have around 20% more atk speed and armor. Plug numbers in and see how well that turns the tide. Not only that you can do a lot of damage with other champions with strong ults. Wukong spinning on 3 people? Ult on them so they can't run away from it. Nunu channeling in the bush? Trap 3 or 4 of them with him so the ult does maximum damage. His shield also blocks a decent chunk of damage when you hit 3 or 4 champions with it (upwards of 400 damage).

    Decent build order while jungling:

    Cloth Armor and health pots x5. Depending on how well you're doing...

    Boots or finish Madreds.
    Boots then finish Wriggles. I get Berserker Greaves personally but it depends on if you're going more offtank or more damage based.
    Heart of Gold
    Wits End
    Frozen Mallet
    Atmas.

    After that you have to judge the game. You can sell the wriggles for a warmogs or get some resist (thornmail/Force of Nature).
    I also think Quicksilver is amazing on him since he gets in your face so fast you're usually the target of SOME type of CC. Having a Jarvan immune to CC in your face smashing you gets scary fast.

    His passive also requires a lot of target switching. Don't just focus the Cait, get a hit on the cait, then the annie and the support if you can. Don't forget to focus the target but still make use of his passive. 10% damage is nothing to scoff at it does apply the Frozen mallet slow if they're trying to chase.

    For Runes, I usually do Armor Pen reds, Armor yellows and then it gets switched up:
    Blue can be either MR/level or CD/R per level, depending on how you play.
    Quints can be more Armor pen or Health, again depending on how you play. I personally run 25 Armor, 8.62% cdr at max level and 13 armor on my jarvan.

    Finally, masteries I run 10/11/9, utilizing the duration buff in support, health/resistances in defense and Armor pen in Attack.

    Overall Jarvan's a fantastic hero if you're looking for someone who can jungle or top solo. By starting with the armor/your E skill first, you also maximize your armo (64 at level one) for those AD carries who go top (looking at Riven or Fiora). Jarvan is a great duelist since his passive has a 6 second cooldown so feel free to just hit your opponent once or twice and run. Hitting with an E/Q combo and an auto can easily do about 25%-50% of someones life. Getting the early wriggles also gives you access to wards which allow you to ward areas while jungling or keep your lane warded if you're solo top.

    Hope this helped! Any questions feel free to post them and I'll be happy to answer to them!

    Edit: Forgot to note summoner skills: Always run Flash on him. I know that's sort of the cop out skill right now in LoL and EVERYONE runs it but a flash, Q/E combo into an ult can let you jump from one turret to another in a team fight VERY quickly. Your other skill differs; in the jungle you obviously run smite, but in the lane you can run Exhaust or Ignite really effectively. Exhaust lets you appear weak to your opponents: If you get First Blood or force your lane back and you're at half, laugh when the lee sin jumps on you only to be knocked up with your combo, take damage then get exhausted as you wreck his face in.

    Honestly Jarvan's a fantastic hero. He does take a while to get used to but he's almost unstoppable. This song also does a great job of summing it all up:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQa-pqkmKg

    Enjoy!
    My main problem with jarvan is that when i'm chasing someone without a red buff or a slow, i can rarely use my EQ combo, because the range of the E is just not long enough to land it infront of the enemy hero so i can Q to it and knock him up. The nearest i can get to, is the exact same spot as the enemy hero, but obviously because hes running, by the time i Q, i will have missed him by abit.

  18. #1318
    Ahri or Lee Sin?

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    Yesterday I bought Khartus with the Pentakill skin, I already had sona with the pentakill skin and I guess sooner or later I will have all the band
    I tried Khartus as I don't have any MID and ppl told me he is really good but I played only 1 match so I need to practice him as atm I'm not really exhalted by him
    Tonight gonna buy a new skin for Janna and focus more on her as after I bought lulu, sona and karma I didn't play her much.

    Morgana, I've noticed an amazing skin (see picture) should I buy her?


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    After watching Shyvana repeatedly wreck teams in nearly every competitive game, I think I'm going to end up getting her next.

    Unless somebody can convince me that Shyvana is weak, that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leaf01 View Post
    Ahri or Lee Sin?
    Apples or oranges?

    You're comparing two very different things. Do you prefer to jungle or take mid? Do you prefer bruisers or mages? The only real similarity is that they're both reliant on skillshots.

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyrosso View Post
    Yesterday I bought Khartus with the Pentakill skin, I already had sona with the pentakill skin and I guess sooner or later I will have all the band
    I tried Khartus as I don't have any MID and ppl told me he is really good but I played only 1 match so I need to practice him as atm I'm not really exhalted by him
    Tonight gonna buy a new skin for Janna and focus more on her as after I bought lulu, sona and karma I didn't play her much.

    Morgana, I've noticed an amazing skin (see picture) should I buy her?
    She's a very strong champion. Safe laning due to her shield, good farming with her pool, incredibly useful cc from her Q and ult. She's banned a lot in ranked though.

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