Gold in PvP (PvP self sustainability)

[Jersovic]

Right now I am averaging about 200 gold a day in repairs. I am frequently having to buy expensive enchants, gems, reforges etc. I have no interest in Warcraft from a PVE perspective which eliminates 5-man instances, and daily questing. I have no gathering profession and the one profession I have that could generate wealth is not usable by PVP players due to a lack of chaos orbs. If repairs (on PVP gear only), enchants, PVP gems, recipes and Chaos Orbs were made purchasable with honor points I feel like the game would be more thoroughly enjoyable for most PVP players.

At the same time I understand that these changes would harm players with the enchanting, and jewel crafting professions. Perhaps by introducing more PVP-oriented enchants and gems this problem could be eliminated. I know I am not alone in the complete lack of desire to spend many hours a week engaging in an area of the game that is not even remotely fun for me (PVE). I'm down to 500 gold and I am almost at the point where I am going to have to come home from work and do something to me that feels like work.

To me a game is suppose to be something that I enjoy, not something that feels like work or a chore.

[Deleted]

I dont understand why blizz removed the obtainability of gems for pvp points... Was my way making money back in lich king... Now im broke mostly :<

[Karshda]

Use honor points to buy enchating mats and sell them?

[Sidorenko]

Use honor points to buy enchating mats and sell them?

This, Can't you buy leather/ore/enchanting mats etc?

[Hb]

Buy the enchant mats, cost 400 honor each. sells for 70-150g+ on my server

[Blueobelisk]

PVE players don't make raiding anything from raiding and scarcely anything for the hour of boredom they put into a 5 man (including DPS queue times and a GOOD party). Is it self sufficient? Maybe for repairs but certainly not gems/enchants.

Daily quests aren't completely PVE and you should take the time to do it. Molten front and Tol Barad do have some PVP sometimes and those days add up.

What you really need is a profession. And it's true what they say about Honor, it's MUCH easier to farm honor (and if they made arenas over CP cap give honor, holy shit) than it is to farm JP. So buy Heavenly shards and sell them on AH.

[azuresky808]

Because WoW has to be balanced around PvE AND PvP. If a player goes through few BG and gets gems to sell with no work otherwise. Players that than work for the same amount of time and get some crappy green gems and maybe a blue one. Honestly PvP never seemed to be blizzards major concern. They feel it is a major part of the game however the amount of work they need to put into PvP is minor considering the amount of story and balancing that must be done to keep PvE fair.

Maybe if there was a special type of gem that you could buy that can only go in PvP gear? same with chants? PvP was never about making money just about proving that you are better than other players.

Also how do you have 200g repairs after just doing PvP? I spend a whole evening and get nothing more than 20-50g and the guild covers most of it.

[Deleted]

Right now I am averaging about 200 gold a day in repairs. I am frequently having to buy expensive enchants, gems, reforges etc. I have no interest in Warcraft from a PVE perspective which eliminates 5-man instances, and daily questing. I have no gathering profession and the one profession I have that could generate wealth is not usable by PVP players due to a lack of chaos orbs. If repairs (on PVP gear only), enchants, PVP gems, recipes and Chaos Orbs were made purchasable with honor points I feel like the game would be more thoroughly enjoyable for most PVP players.

At the same time I understand that these changes would harm players with the enchanting, and jewel crafting professions. Perhaps by introducing more PVP-oriented enchants and gems this problem could be eliminated. I know I am not alone in the complete lack of desire to spend many hours a week engaging in an area of the game that is not even remotely fun for me (PVE). I'm down to 500 gold and I am almost at the point where I am going to have to come home from work and do something to me that feels like work.

To me a game is suppose to be something that I enjoy, not something that feels like work or a chore.

Sorry, what?

I'm doing 99% PvP and 1% PvE (The rare weekend where I actually bother to do my BH or maybe random dungeon for fun) and besides that it's pure PvPing in arena & BGs. I'm often switching back and forth between my frost, fire and arcane spec if I feel like playing the said specs when I log on, which includes changing a few gems, some reforging and of course respeccing/re-glyphing and I'm nowhere near 200g each day on repairs and stuff.

Also, spending 5min @ AH buying some items and resell it with profits takes minimum effort (which I'm not even doing, even though I've got 1000+ different kind of mats lieing around in the bank, thousands of cloth, few stacks of Dreamcloth etc, but I cba to sell it since I don't need to), though I imagine you're not switching gear/spec like I am, so I really can't see why you frequently would have to buy all these expensive enchants, gems and reforge.

[Bitlovin]

I make about 1500g a day converting honor points into heavenly shards. Try doing that.

[Raintola]

PVE players don't make raiding anything from raiding and scarcely anything for the hour of boredom they put into a 5 man (including DPS queue times and a GOOD party). Is it self sufficient? Maybe for repairs but certainly not gems/enchants.

Daily quests aren't completely PVE and you should take the time to do it. Molten front and Tol Barad do have some PVP sometimes and those days add up.

What you really need is a profession. And it's true what they say about Honor, it's MUCH easier to farm honor (and if they made arenas over CP cap give honor, holy shit) than it is to farm JP. So buy Heavenly shards and sell them on AH.

Um, I make about 1K just from clearing 6/7 on heroic. You also get about 100g just by doing a troll dungeon. If you're having to spend that much on repairs, you're doing it wrong. To the OP, how frequently are you buying new gems, enchants etc? You can't be getting new gear THAT quickly. You can easily make enough gold to cover your hopefully minimal repairs just by playing the game.

[Korgoth]

Right now I am averaging about 200 gold a day in repairs.

PVPing? You dont lose durability getting killed in PVP, so how the hell are you wracking up a 200g repair bill every day pvping. That sounds almost impossible.

[abovebeyond]

If you have no interest in PvE in WoW you are playing the wrong game. You are meant to play this game from a PvE perspective, while PvPing as a side-activity. This has been and will continue to be the official stance from Blizzard, not only my opinion. That said, there are PLENTY of ways to generate gold without even leaving Orgrimmar/Stormwind.

If you want to play this game while ignoring 75% of what it is about, then yeah, you may run into problems along the way.

[kosuko]

You should divide WoW into PVP and Raiding, not PVP and PVE. Eventhough quests a a pve thing (mostly), that does not mean raiders enjoy doing quests to farm gold.

Eventhough i strongly disagree with the complains in OP, you should be able to buy (precut?) pvp gems with honor, just feels right.
Also the PVP shoulder/head enchants could be a bit cheaper, most not maxed out pvper's just run around with pve ones.

[alucardtnuoc]

PVPing? You dont lose durability getting killed in PVP, so how the hell are you wracking up a 200g repair bill every day pvping. That sounds almost impossible.

you're correct about not losing it when killed, but your gear still takes damage from being attacked and you will still have to repair.

[Jersovic]

PVE players don't make raiding anything from raiding and scarcely anything for the hour of boredom they put into a 5 man (including DPS queue times and a GOOD party). Is it self sufficient? Maybe for repairs but certainly not gems/enchants.

Daily quests aren't completely PVE and you should take the time to do it. Molten front and Tol Barad do have some PVP sometimes and those days add up.

What you really need is a profession. And it's true what they say about Honor, it's MUCH easier to farm honor (and if they made arenas over CP cap give honor, holy shit) than it is to farm JP. So buy Heavenly shards and sell them on AH.

I had relatively high income from 5-man instances. I usually received 5-7 Maelstrom Crystals per week from weekly ZA/ZGs. Multiple 353 BOEs to Auction House, 80 gold in reward for completing a random x however many you require that week for your valor. The ability to sell Justice Point boots, Valor Bracers, or even purchase gems with Justice (which I have sold many at 100 gold per 220 justice points). I also sold a Helm of Tsanga from a BoT for 6K not too long ago, an Icebone Hauberk for 3K (dropped in Shadowfang Keep) and a Theck's Emberseal from Firelands for 10K gold. As a tank I also received Satchels of Exotic Mysteries and sold Mulgore Hatchlings, Azure Whelplings, and Dun Murogh cubs etc. for thousands of gold a piece. So yes, PVE income is dramatically higher.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just pointing out that a PVE Rogue and a PVP Rogue use the exact same gems and enchants, yet one is not provided with the gold to purchase them.

[Sanctioned]

PVPing? You dont lose durability getting killed in PVP, so how the hell are you wracking up a 200g repair bill every day pvping. That sounds almost impossible.

No durability loss from deaths but look at how much you get hit. You still lose durability from taking hits and it's surprising how fast it can add up if you don't pay attention.

[Prof_Sarcastic]

No durability loss from deaths but look at how much you get hit. You still lose durability from taking hits and it's surprising how fast it can add up if you don't pay attention.

I am always surprised at the repair cost when I PVP - at how incredibly LOW it always is. And I'm a plate wearer. I do agree that PVP gems should be purchased with honor again though. That would make enchants and reforging the only costs worth mentioning for PVPers, and selling gems, mats etc should cover that.

[Deleted]

A gold reward for pvp would be nice again?

[Antherios]

They cant do that, then the bots would swarm the bgs

Maybe Arenas and RBGs

[apepi]

They cant do that, then the bots would swarm the bgs

Maybe Arenas and RBGs

They aren't already?