"best" on live worst on PTR, anyone with me?

[Deleted]

Doing "ok" dps on live worst dps on PTR with same ppl, anyone else rerolling for next patch?

edit1: Seems like more and more hardcore guilds puts their hunters on passive while progressing on heroic bosses on PTR.

[malt0602]

yeah bro because ptr = live eeeeehehheehh

[S7orm]

Dragonwrath scaling is huge
melee will get a free 10% AP

any other class to list? no, hunters are obviously falling behind

and for sure that ES buff will fix the 30% GAP in survival's DPS

and GC won't get fired, deal with it

P.S. i'm still topping DPS charts in my guild, but it's not a good example as i always topped since vanilla, and i heard hunters were good in vanilla

[Deleted]

you're expecting hunters to get buffed before 4.3 release?

No, we're going to get nerfed even more!

[Dexiefy]

Top dps on live worst dps on PTR with same ppl, anyone else rerolling for next patch?

yeah the thing is... hunter isn't top on live at all and 4.3... well... lets leave it w/o comment

[TJ]

Hunters are the best on live? since when? because in any decent guild they get shafted.

[Deleted]

It's the same with eles. We are losing our immensely huge dps portion, the permanent fire elemental (t12 2piece). What buffs are we getting in 4.3? A further nerf which could turn into a buff in BiS gear, and a 4% buff on Shamanism. We are second to 4th if I remember right on single target fights (baleroc in this case) in the dps meters. Our fire elemental does about 20% of our dps...go and get a calculator...

[TJ]

It's the same with eles. We are losing our immensely huge dps portion, the permanent fire elemental (t12 2piece). What buffs are we getting in 4.3? A further nerf which could turn into a buff in BiS gear, and a 4% buff on Shamanism. We are second to 4th if I remember right on single target fights (baleroc in this case) in the dps meters. Our fire elemental does about 20% of our dps...go and get a calculator...

And enhancement is 1st or 2nd on dps, all hunter specs are shite.

[TheTrueM4gg0t]

P.S. i'm still topping DPS charts in my guild, but it's not a good example as i always topped since vanilla, and i heard hunters were good in vanilla

wow you are so great! I wish I were your friend. can we meet up some time?
...

Anyway, back to topic. I don't think we're top dps at the moment. nither do I expect us to be last in the next patch.
and even if it will be the case, it still matters by wich amount. You just cant have 17 DPS in a 25m raid all beiny on place 1 with exact the same dmg...
I do really wonder why they gave the 10%AP buff exclusivly to melee, I think if that buff would also account to range AP, we would be fine.
But following the PTR patch updates, they seem to have finished with the big balancing stuff, theres only little tweaking still going on...

[S7orm]

wow you are so great! I wish I were your friend. can we meet up some time?
...

that was to avoid all "lol u just bad m8" comments

Anyway, back to topic. I don't think we're top dps at the moment. nither do I expect us to be last in the next patch.
and even if it will be the case, it still matters by wich amount. You just cant have 17 DPS in a 25m raid all beiny on place 1 with exact the same dmg...
I do really wonder why they gave the 10%AP buff exclusivly to melee, I think if that buff would also account to range AP, we would be fine.
But following the PTR patch updates, they seem to have finished with the big balancing stuff, theres only little tweaking still going on...

pretty much this.

[oleander89]

And enhancement is 1st or 2nd on dps, all hunter specs are shite.

Would be valid if enhance and elemental used the same gear. It's essentially the same as telling you to lol reroll.

[ZombyChan]

I can shoot while moving with no deadzone and have my choice of buff, but my DPS isn't better than everyone, so I must be overlooked.


Infracted for trolling - Draco

[Wesdawg]

P.S. i'm still topping DPS charts in my guild, but it's not a good example as i always topped since vanilla, and i heard hunters were good in vanilla

What kind of dead-end guild are you in for that to be possible? Just wondering because hunters across the board get annihilated by a lot of classes at the moment. Dragonwrath should, unless your casters are uh... a bit on the slow side, create an gap in dps that cannot be closed.

Anyway, no way am I rerolling just because the FOTM-crowd are doing it. However I'm very unhappy with how it's looking for hunters in 4.3. Not much I can do though.

[TJ]

Would be valid if enhance and elemental used the same gear. It's essentially the same as telling you to lol reroll.

Yes because gearing up is so hard right now, oh wait.

Id gladly regear to not be the pile of crap hunters are atm.

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I can shoot while moving with no deadzone and have my choice of buff, but my DPS isn't better than everyone, so I must be overlooked.

Probably the worst argument ive ever seen, no doubt you dont play a hunter.

[Deleted]

Hunter's are looking very bleak for 4.3. However, everyone deciding to reroll isn't going to help. Stick it out and hopefully Blizz will pick up on the problems that can so obviously be seen...

[Blackmist]

You get beat by Dragonwrath casters? No shit, it's pretty much a flat 10% increase. Let me know when Dragonwrath is a vendor item, and I'll agree that hunters are broken.

SV has been rock bottom of SimulationCraft meters for a long time now, yet here's the average for Baleroc 10H. The most Patchwerk-y of any heroics.

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Baleroc/1...default/#2nnfk

5th from top, for the most broken of broken specs. SimulationCraft means dick. All specs are viable. Not top <> not viable.

[Deleted]

Well I'm not gonna reroll for other class just because I might be on bottom of recount instead of first 3 places. I just want all specs to be viable to raid and do same amount of DPS so I can choose how I want to play my hunter. (Yes I like to do as much DPS as I can regardless of spec and since MM is best DPS spec atm I have very limited choice:P). The other thing is that Blizzard is not stupid and when they see that many people stopped play as hunter or still be playing but they'll bespamming forums with "OMG buff us" topics they (Blizz) will do seomthing about it . Remeber that crying crowd gets always what he wants

[MJM]

SV has been rock bottom of SimulationCraft meters for a long time now, yet here's the average for Baleroc 10H. The most Patchwerk-y of any heroics.

[5th from top, for the most broken of broken specs. SimulationCraft means dick. All specs are viable. Not top <> not viable.

Even if I agree with some of your post, there is no denying that hunters are loosing ground in the dps tables pretty fast now when ppl are getting close to BiS gear. MM at 9'th overall and SV at 13'Th in 25 man where the hunter most likely is not there to provide a buff but to dps primarily

PTR is PTR and stuff can still happen, albeit a bit worrying that there is such a total silence regardless of several ppl pointing out that hunters are slipping even further down the list.

[Kisho]

I'm just going to assume you're all correct, Hunters are bottom of the barrel, no hope for us, etc. ( I don't think that, far from it, but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it)

Someone has to be at the bottom, someone has to be at the top. A lot have to be in the middle. That's how it works. There's always someone who's bottom, someone who's top.

Considering the past (TBC where BM Hunters were very strong DPS, WotLK where MM Hunters were pro in ICC, early Cataclysm where Survival topped the charts), don't you think it's fair that we have our time to languish at the bottom? We've been a very strong DPS class for a very long time, and average at worst. Maybe it's our time to suck.

Sure, it sucks to suck. But when you take the entirety of WoW into account... Eh. Not such a huge deal. MoP will come along and change things up again; this will only be a temporary thing (if it is actually a 'thing' at all).

I still believe that Hunters can do very strong DPS in the right hands. Hell, not believe: it's true. Simulationcraft numbers only really matter for the top 1% of players, who can play at optimum efficiency every single time. The vast majority of us don't do that, and as such we'll see very different numbers to what Simulationcraft provides us. Hunters will still top the charts in 4.3 when in the right hands. We'll still get out DPSed by others. Nothing will change. The sky isn't falling. Keep calm and carry on.

[Salionski]

Considering the past (TBC where BM Hunters were very strong DPS, WotLK where MM Hunters were pro in ICC, early Cataclysm where Survival topped the charts), don't you think it's fair that we have our time to languish at the bottom? We've been a very strong DPS class for a very long time, and average at worst. Maybe it's our time to suck.

We've had that time. It was 4.0. And there shouldn't be any time where an entire class isn't competitive in some form for serious progression raiding. Our top spec is in a mediocre spot right now. With current hunter scaling those numbers are going to fall even further down the standings. Hunters in top guilds are losing their raid spots. Outside the top guilds many raid organizers will copy their strategy. Some (like myself) will volunteer to reroll (hopefully temporarily) so we don't feel like we're not fully contributing to the raid.

MoP will come along and change things up again

Are you seriously saying "wait until MoP"? I'm just going to assume that you don't raid on a regular basis then. It's probably okay if you play the game in an extremely casual way. But for the rest of us...waiting until the next expansion for things to get fixed is just about the least comforting idea ever. And if that actually happened I'm fairly sure that hunters would become the new pre-legendary announcement rogue.

Hunters will still top the charts in 4.3 when in the right hands.

Based on their current standing they could top charts in 4.3. But they just won't be able to do it when playing with similarly skilled players. So go find that group of horrible incompetents and bask in the glory of your mad 4.3 damage.