Iran and The United States

[RuyzakiaPCG]

Obviously a very heated issue at this time. Clearly, we are at a turning point. Now I do not want this thread turning into a For or Against military actions but
just discussing the possible out-comes of military action against Iran.

This scenario I am going to give is going to be my own opinion based of some facts, and some speculation or rumors I believe to be true. (I.e for a moment lets all pretend the Iran is building a nuke. We do not know for sure, IAEA(?) report is called lies from one side, and truth from another. Not debating this either. Just go with it for the sake of the debate.)

What must occur: We, in some way shape or form assist Israel in an assault on Iran. This is pretty much the only conditions.

Parties involved.

Axis of X(Can't really call this "evil" yet.)
Def.
Russia
Iran
State of Palestine

Poss.
China
North Korea

Allied Forces
United States
UK
Minor/Major Assistance from E.U/France/Germany

Poss.
South Korea
Japan

Now I shall go into what events I think will take place.


Pretty much after playing Modern Warfare 3 I think we will experience our first occupation since 1812. I 100% Believe that Russia will follow Iran into military conflict against the U.S and Israel. Russia in my belief has been helping them build this thing. They have also called us a "parasite" on the global economy. Palestine will support Iran because they hate Israel with a passion and it would be a good strategic chance to reclaim their land. This would obviously involve Hamas (Iran supplies Hamas with money/weapons.) as well. North Korea is speculation based on the fact some U.S Intel suggest the have been working together to build missiles. North Korea has been rumored to have the abilities to create the payload for a nuclear bomb just not a delivery system. This would also give North Korea a chance to reclaim the south as the U.S will be other wise occupied with dealing with Russia as well as Iran and protecting Israel from Palestine and Hamas. Iran is not a push over like Iraq. They have full fledged military with decently up to date technology/weaponry. (We have first Gen. Iran has 2nd Gen. Iraq has 3rd Gen. for example.)

Iran a few weeks ago was said to be moving naval ships through international waters, but close to U.S waters. This could be seen as some sort of possible defense/early offensive for if and when Israel and the U.S makes our moves.

China may also join this fight as they are also currently backing Iran against IAEA accusations. China will most likely be the biggest threat while having a weak navy compared to the US have the biggest ease of access to invade us if the ally with Russia. This will be something Russia wants on their side. If China does join, Japan and South Korea will most than likely join us as we have troops stationed their and will act as a forward base. If China joins North Korea will follow simply because it would just be adding more people and cause the situation to be much more hectic and gives them an excuse to wipe out S.K.

Russia will also most likely invade MW2 style by just coming across the Atlantic and attacking the east while China attacks the west. (Think mixture of home front and MW2.

Opinions and thoughts go.

[Smece]

And why wouldn't Iran build a nuke. Funny how the USA is putting trade embargo's, starting wars and secret operations on every country that's not on their side on the hint of a nuke possibility. If you don't understand why it's funny, it's because the USA is the only country in the world that used a nuclear weapon in military purposes.

Iran is not the problem, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

[codsafish]

You need to stop playing BF/COD and other video games. Just because it's always a US Vs RU scenario doesn't mean it's anything like that in real life (for the last 30 years at least).

Russia has no interest in fighting the US, they haven't had any interest for the past 30 years, and every year thats gone by they couldn't possibly care even less than they already do. Same for the US.

Seriously...you're actually making gamers look retarded by coming up with this crap, put the BF/COD down. All the story-lines in BF/COD games are pretty much ripped straight from cold-war times, we're not living in those times...those times are history. You need to do some research on how the world is today..not 40 years ago.

[eddier]

I have the slight impresion you take scenarios from PC games a little too seriously
For example, I wonder how the Chinese forces are supposed to cross the Pacific Ocean with a force strong enough to build a beach head in the western US, past their pacific forces (the 3rd fleet in Pearl Harbor alone consists of five carriers and loads of more stuff). The same goes for Russia, I don't see them driving a massive forve from Murmansk or sth across the waters straight to Washington.

Also, consider in the first place that for example China's actions in the Security Council do not give any evidence that they are joining the fight on Iran's side, or even join the fight at all. The same applies to your arguments concerning North Korea and Russia. Seeing how the Chinese behaved in the past conflicts that did not really concern their direct territorial interests, I guess they will rather keep out and buy all the natural resources afterwards.

As to the Palenstinians, remember they don't have regular armed forces, navy, air force or anything worth mentioning alongside the armies of Isreal, Iran or the US.

[Deleted]

Oh look, another WW3 thread.

If you seriously think that Iran is on the same level as Nazi germany and Japan then I don't know what to say.

The idea that we would all suddenly attack each other when we all pretty much have trade links is completely and utterly absurd. China and the USA might compete for international power but they will never go to a direct war. Why? Because their economies are linked and probably always will be.

Why would China and Russia go to full out war just to help Iran anyways? After WW1 everyone realised what a terrible idea it was to have billions of alliance treaties that meant a war between 2 countries became a war that engulfed all of Europe. There's no reason why Russia or China would be stupid enough to go to war just to protect Iran. What does Iran ever do for them? Nothing. Iran is just a small country that allies itself with the non-western powers. They are not a big player at all.

What will actually happen if we invade Iran: Take the country within 1 year or 2, install a government there, spend 10-15 years fighting insurgants, leave. Just like every other sandbox war we've ever done. And yes it'll be an utter waste of money, time, and lives. But by all means, go ahead and invade. We have plenty of money right now so why not? Oh wait...

Honestly there's no way the US government coffers can survive another war right now. At most they'd probably just let Israel invade and supply them with weapons. It would be mildly interesting if Russia/China decided to give Iranians weapons to defend their country with, but apart from that I don't see how it's a big deal.

[RuyzakiaPCG]

Wow really? Already?

Codsafish
1) Iran has numerous trade/economical ties with Russia. There is also alot of speculation of a unofficial military alliance with Iran and Russia. They are the ones supplying scientist to Iran for them to have nuclear power which most believe is a front for building a bomb. Russia becoming involved in the conflict is a completely plausible scenario and you would be ignorant to think other wise.

2) Yes, I agree we have no right to step on Iran's toes if they want to build a nuclear device. Though I personally do not think It should obtain one, with all the hate rhetoric it spews out against "wiping out Israel." this all besides the point. We have a Military alliance with Israel and U.S has a history of putting Israel before its own national security interests. I do not agree with this but it is true. Also, Yes we are the only country to build a nuclear device and use it in a military conflict not once, but twice. But we have also been one of the main countries in trying to disarm and one of the only 5 to have signed the NPT.


This thread is not to debate the right for the US to say who can have what. This thread was made to discuss the possibility of war, what would happen, whom would be involved and why.

[sdracklryeg]

Indian and Pakistan would also get involved. Russia's military is so outdated and out of order, their nukes would probably malfunction and explode on launch. Australia would also join the US/Israel side and all trade agreements with China would be severed, seeing as Australia provides a very substantial amount of raw materials to China, it would be a massive blow to China... they'd simply run out of resources for war, this would lead to the withdraw of China from the war, China's situation would be exacerbated by Domestic problems, they'd have protests and riots all throughout the cities calling for the Government to resign.

As for North Korea, they are so poor that they can't even feed their army, South korea and Japan would snuff them as if they were a cinder, not to mention the US still has a ridiculous amount of Army bases in South korea which are ready for a war with North Korea.

in the end it'd just be

Russia, Palestine, Iran

VS

NATO, Australia, Israel, Japan, South Korea and possibly Arab League (As far as i know they don't care much for Iran, but i mean i dunno it would mean siding with Israel)

With another conflict between India and Pakistan.

[RuyzakiaPCG]

I have the slight impresion you take scenarios from PC games a little too seriously
For example, I wonder how the Chinese forces are supposed to cross the Pacific Ocean with a force strong enough to build a beach head in the western US, past their pacific forces (the 3rd fleet in Pearl Harbor alone consists of five carriers and loads of more stuff). The same goes for Russia, I don't see them driving a massive forve from Murmansk or sth across the waters straight to Washington.

Also, consider in the first place that for example China's actions in the Security Council do not give any evidence that they are joining the fight on Iran's side, or even join the fight at all. The same applies to your arguments concerning North Korea and Russia. Seeing how the Chinese behaved in the past conflicts that did not really concern their direct territorial interests, I guess they will rather keep out and buy all the natural resources afterwards.

As to the Palenstinians, remember they don't have regular armed forces, navy, air force or anything worth mentioning alongside the armies of Isreal, Iran or the US.

Palenstine has ties with Iran. They hate Israel. Israel strikes Iran, Palenstine will strike back with Iran as it will see it as an opportunity to take back what the see as theirs.

[Spydie]

Wrong way round, the USA, Israel and UK are the axis of evil this time.

[Kutra]

China isn't going to go to war with the multitude of countries that buy their products/support them financially.

[RuyzakiaPCG]

Indian and Pakistan would also get involved. Russia's military is so outdated and out of order, their nukes would probably malfunction and explode on launch. Australia would also join the US/Israel side and all trade agreements with China would be severed, seeing as Australia provides a very substantial amount of raw materials to China, it would be a massive blow to China... they'd simply run out of resources for war, this would lead to the withdraw of China from the war, China's situation would be exacerbated by Domestic problems, they'd have protests and riots all throughout the cities calling for the Government to resign.

As for North Korea, they are so poor that they can't even feed their army, South korea and Japan would snuff them as if they were a cinder, not to mention the US still has a ridiculous amount of Army bases in South korea which are ready for a war with North Korea.

in the end it'd just be

Russia, Palestine, Iran

VS

NATO, Australia, Israel, Japan, South Korea and possibly Arab League (As far as i know they don't care much for Iran, but i mean i dunno it would mean siding with Israel)

With another conflict between India and Pakistan.

Russia actually has a decently strong military force. Yes, it is 2nd Gen but still a force to be reckoned with.

[lolo855]

Like Ahmadinejad said, why on earth should american's be allowed to have thousand of nukes and they shouldn't get a single one ?

American's just think too much that they rule the world, and that's what Ahmadinejad tries to prove, the only reason why he would want a nuke is so he can "force" the US to use diplomacy over bombing another country into oblivion.

Tbh if there is one country with a lot of history for violence and unnecessary attacks it's the US and not any other country.

[RuyzakiaPCG]

And this thread has already derailed.


Lock please?

[sdracklryeg]

Russia actually has a decently strong military force. Yes, it is 2nd Gen but still a force to be reckoned with.

In the whole scheme of things though, it's not prepared to take on NATO and Israel.

[Deleted]

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” - George Santayana


Not all but most people now days have forgot how to think. Learn from the past and use your brains. Or you will forever be controlled by others.

[eddier]

Palenstine has ties with Iran. They hate Israel. Israel strikes Iran, Palenstine will strike back with Iran as it will see it as an opportunity to take back what the see as theirs.

Please elaborate on the "Palestine will strike back part", as to strike back with what exactly and how against one of the most modern armies in the world (Israel) that is basically sitting right on them.

[DGolubets]

Lol, guys, seriously.. Our (russian) government can only speak loud and that's all. We fail miserably in every aspect, no matter if it was our strong one before. Heard of Fobos? Heard how many planes crushed lately? I doubt we can launch a missle without blowing ourselves nowdays..

Russia is not USSR anymore, it's a fact. Of couse many forces are interested in keeping the "red threat" to maintain financing of war programs (government financing = money in your pocket, you know). But the reality is Russia now is just a big second world country, nothing more.

[RuyzakiaPCG]

Please elaborate on the "Palestine will strike back part", as to strike back with what exactly and how against one of the most modern armies in the world (Israel) that is basically sitting right on them.

Hamas? Hamas has hit Israel hard before. Palestine hates Israel but are currently not attacking each other to avoid more blood shed but hate them just as much as Iran. If you saw a chance to strike at your enemies and reclaim land you believe to be yours, would you not take that chance? They will strike back at Israel same as they have attacked before. Motor fire and rockets.

[PandarianLeakage]

I like how you think Russia etc is the Axis of "evil". How many countries has America invaded in the past 30 years compared to Russia?

[Deleted]

Palenstine has ties with Iran. They hate Israel. Israel strikes Iran, Palenstine will strike back with Iran as it will see it as an opportunity to take back what the see as theirs.

Palestine can't even defend it's own country... How exactly would it manage to defend Iran? There's a reason why their only resistance is from terror attacks. Because they simply don't have an army. The time it'd take to send massive amounts of weapons and armour to Palestine (good luck getting past the naval blockade) and train an army would just be too long to make it worthwhile for Iran.

Not to mention the fact that Palestinian controlled terrority only has about 4 million people. That's not going to be much of an army even if they had one is it? At least Israel has it's daddy USA to give it the best tech, not to mention it's 100s of times wealthier than Palestine. And it's mandatory military service means everyone there is potentially ready for war. Ultimately Palestine isn't equipped for any kind of war other than occasionally suicide bombing an Israeli town. They have no training, no weapons, no military intelligence, no tech, no way of getting substantial stuff in, nothing.