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    Quote Originally Posted by marcelos11 View Post
    you may not be one of them
    This is what you never seem to understand. Sure, I'm a Michigan fan, but I'm a great admirer of college football in general. When U-M loses, I don't go blaming it on referee conspiracies or making stupid excuses, I accept the beatdowns and assign blame belongs -- on our coaches and players. Never once in this thread have I sat here hyping up U-M or penciling us into championships or bowl games, or any of the other things you're assigning to me in your imagination. If anything I'm reacting with disbelief to some of the sport's absurdities, wondering why the sportswriters vote us into unrealistic poll slots based on historical expectations instead of thoughtful assessments or current actual performance. They never seem to learn.

    The reason your posts are frequently irritating in this thread is that you don't appear to have any such broad interest in the sport as a whole, or even talking about your own team. You don't post constructively and objectivity is obviously a lost cause. You primarily show up only drop some grade-school-level trash talk, or just revel in U-M's misery. If that's all you can contribute, fine -- but don't sit there expecting to be taken seriously when a lot of your posts sound like they're written by a little kid.

    State has a solid defense, and they've taken great strides to correct the anemic offense that began the season. Their main recurrent problem has been lack of discipline when it comes to penalties and personal fouls, especially on defense -- and that's nothing new, it predates Bobby Williams.

    Michigan's offense is in an even more embarrassing state than during the Rodriguez tenure. Even with chronic injury issues and a ton of youth on the O-line, we simply cannot provide any pass protection or run blocking to save our lives. Gardner can't seem to do anything but curl up in the fetal position, and I'm at a complete loss to understand how that's happening, whether it's poor coaching, or if he's just choking almost every single time. The sad fact is that my old ass could run that offense better than he. How fucking hard is it to run out of the tackle box and dump it out of bounds? There's absolutely no excuse for taking that many sacks, and the first thing I'd do is strip that Harmon legacy jersey right off of him. He doesn't deserve to wear it.

    The difference between the losses to State and NU is that MSU's performance was just consistently better on both sides of the ball, even down to simple fundamentals. Our weak offense and soft zone D didn't do us any favors, of course. But we made Nebraska's meager defense look like absolute superstars because our offense is just that bad. Unlike State, we could have beaten Nebraska if we weren't busy looking like the Keystone Cops, we just primarily beat ourselves. Unless State just inexplicably up and shits the bed, I don't see them having much trouble with NU, even in Lincoln.

    An Ohio State - MSU conference championship game will probably be a different story. Sparty is likely short on weapons and depth to keep pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindicatorx View Post
    I'm sitting here watching the game in my room and keep hearing the cannons go off when we score. I didn't know Illinois has not had a big 10 win since the last time they played us lol
    I figured you'd beat them. Wisconsin probably has the defense to shut you down next week, but I still think IU has an outside chance, it'll just be a tough venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcelos11 View Post
    I don't know, i saw a lot of Ducks fans crying last year when a terrible Notre Dame team got chosen to go to the NCG over the ducks (justified if you ask me).
    On what planet was this? Remember where the Ducks placed in the final standings before bowl selections?



    I think your memory's off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    I've given up on Florida. I'm not even sure they can make a bowl this year. Still gotta play South Carolina and Florida State. Ugh.
    Yesterday must've been especially tough. I was looking at Florida's record yesterday thinking "wow, I bet UF hasn't lost four in a row in ages!" -- until I pulled up the stats and saw it just happened under Muschamp two years ago, during the toughest part of the conference schedule. I'd forgotten. You'd have to go back to 1988 under Galen Hall to duplicate it, and that was more what I had in mind.

    At this rate they're going to come after the coaching staff with torches and pitchforks.
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    Sheesh Sayl, i said you may not be one of the arrogant style U of M fans that your fanbase is so widely known for. no reason to rip my head off for it. the fact is though, a LOT of Michigan fans seem to think there team is the end all be all. And you can say what you want, but Akron did get hosed against Michigan on that final play, the reciever going for the ball was clearly held (and even dragged down to the ground) and unable to even make a play on the ball. no flag. your team got lucky to beat them. and if you think Michigan doesn't get the benefit from the refs all the time, please explain Tayler Lewan's Face Masks left and right that he got away with against MSU. he got flagged ONCE, and was shown doing it, on Camera, 4 times minimum. pretty Obvious ones too.

    and frankly, Michigan could very well end up this season 6-6. frankly i see them going 7-5 and splitting between NW and Iowa on the road, losing to OSU at home. Michigan State has me on edge, we got @ Nebraska, @ NW, and Minnesota at home, and frankly, any or all of those games could be losses, but i think we win out.

    and i saw a lot of Ducks (and as Cubby pointed out) lots of fans in general complaining about the BCS because a clearly overrated ND got the BCS NCG game. they didn't deserve to be there.

    Frankly, i don't think State has the depth to beat OSU either. i think they will make a game out of it, but i think OSU wins by 14 with a late touchdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It's adorable that anyone thinks FSU is a #1 team over Alabama.
    I don't see how anyone can even think that right now. The only team Bama didn't sleep through was A&M. Which is the only thing that worries me. Looks like Missouri might be the SEC East champions, so I'm not sure how Bama will fare against another read option style game. FSU has played a great season so far, but when you struggle against a bad team like BC, you're not gonna hop over the preseason number 1 who hasn't even come close to losing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sayl View Post
    Yesterday must've been especially tough. I was looking at Florida's record yesterday thinking "wow, I bet UF hasn't lost four in a row in ages!" -- until I pulled up the stats and saw it just happened under Muschamp two years ago, during the toughest part of the conference schedule. I'd forgotten. You'd have to go back to 1988 under Galen Hall to duplicate it, and that was more what I had in mind.

    At this rate they're going to come after the coaching staff with torches and pitchforks.
    You almost have to wonder. They go from winning titles under Urban Meyer, to probably not even making a bowl game. They have solid running backs but can't get any running game going because of a terrible offensive line. QB's are suffering a similar problem, but throwing interceptions all day isn't going to help. The defense is good, but they can't stop a team when they're getting the ball inside the 40 yard line every time. And the red zone offense is atrocious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcelos11 View Post
    And you can say what you want, but Akron did get hosed against Michigan on that final play, the reciever going for the ball was clearly held (and even dragged down to the ground) and unable to even make a play on the ball. no flag. your team got lucky to beat them.
    We were lucky to beat Akron, because we're not very good, not because of your claim of a missed call on the final play. There were a couple of goofs by the officials elsewhere in that game, but this wasn't one of them.

    Seriously, go back and look closely at all the available clips (there are several, like this and this). Thomas Gordon and Zach D'Orazio made typical contact close to the line of scrimmage as he began his route -- no grasping, no hooking. D'Orazio jockeyed for position and got free, Gordon was actually burned on the play and fell down. Pohl overthrew D'Orazio, who was still on his feet and dove for the ball. He wasn't "dragged to the ground", nor did he go down due to contact. The play happened directly between the umpire and back judge. Neither threw a flag because there was no foul.

    Sorry, this is just an example of you not being able to see past your bias. If there were a missed call on the play I wouldn't have any problem admitting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    You almost have to wonder. They go from winning titles under Urban Meyer, to probably not even making a bowl game.
    Believe me, I wish Urban Meyer had coached there for the rest of his life -- for your sake and mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayl View Post
    We were lucky to beat Akron, because we're not very good, not because of your claim of a missed call on the final play. There were a couple of goofs by the officials elsewhere in that game, but this wasn't one of them.

    Seriously, go back and look closely at all the available clips (there are several, like this and this). Thomas Gordon and Zach D'Orazio made typical contact close to the line of scrimmage as he began his route -- no grasping, no hooking. D'Orazio jockeyed for position and got free, Gordon was actually burned on the play and fell down. Pohl overthrew D'Orazio, who was still on his feet and dove for the ball. He wasn't "dragged to the ground", nor did he go down due to contact. The play happened directly between the umpire and back judge. Neither threw a flag because there was no foul.

    Sorry, this is just an example of you not being able to see past your bias. If there were a missed call on the play I wouldn't have any problem admitting it.

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    Believe me, I wish Urban Meyer had coached there for the rest of his life -- for your sake and mine.
    you mean except where he has enough of his leg to trip him up and prevent him from being able to make an adequate play on the ball right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcelos11 View Post
    you mean except where he has enough of his leg to trip him up and prevent him from being able to make an adequate play on the ball right?
    Just like the officials who were standing right there, I see nothing of the sort.

    Can you show me where a foul was committed outside of your imagination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayl View Post
    Just like the officials who were standing right there, I see nothing of the sort.

    Can you show me where a foul was committed outside of your imagination?
    just because it wasn't called doesn't mean it wasn't committed, i mean, Tayler Lewan only got away with about 4 face masks against MSU alone. ABC even showed the footage NUMEROUS times throughout the game.

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    Baylor fans are gonna be pissed. Heh, serves them right.

    Is Mariota out of the Heisman race?
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    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcelos11 View Post
    just because it wasn't called doesn't mean it wasn't committed, i mean, Tayler Lewan only got away with about 4 face masks against MSU alone. ABC even showed the footage NUMEROUS times throughout the game.
    Taylor Lewan should have been suspended, if not by Hoke, by the B1G. But that has fuck-all to do with the non-existent foul in the Akron game you keep complaining about. I can't tell if you're even being serious or if you're just yanking my chain out of boredom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Baylor fans are gonna be pissed. Heh, serves them right.
    Pissed about what?

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    Is Mariota out of the Heisman race?
    Probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayl View Post
    Pissed about what?
    Being ranked below a one-loss team.


    Probably.
    Damn. I hope he stays at Oregon another year.
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    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Being ranked below a one-loss team.
    They were last week too though. Human voters unanimously have them at #4, regardless. (Ahead of Stanford.)

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    Damn. I hope he stays at Oregon another year.
    Me too. The injury hurts him more than the loss to Stanford if he remains banged up and continues to struggle like he did Thursday night. If the top four teams win out from here, the media lovefest will probably focus on Jameis Winston above all else.

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    Yikes. The anticipated lovefest I imagined might have been premature.


    What timing. It should be noted, however, that:

    No charges have been filed against Winston, and the investigation remains active.
    ...
    Winston has not been interviewed by police or prosecutors.
    TPD released an incident report on Wednesday in response to a request from the Tallahassee Democrat for any and all reports related to Winston.
    The report, which was heavily redacted, does not mention Winston by name.
    Here's a pre-headline Heisman watch screenie just for posterity's sake.

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    Taj Boyd just broke a Clemson passing record. Despite the score, every time I watch, I see either quarterback getting sacked, hurried, or knocked down behind the line on QB draws.

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    I'm just looking at the games this weekend, not much of an upset chance.
    The less you know, the more you believe.


    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    I think Bama is a great team but they might struggle against Florida State or Ohio State just because those offense are really good and the defenses aren't as awful as someone like Texas A&M.

    As an Ohio State fan i can't really argue with the current rankings. Florida State has looked impressive all season, and Bama only had the one close game. Ohio State looked sloppy early in the season and has a pretty weak schedule thanks to the Big Ten struggling so much. Florida States schedule isn't that great either but they looked more impressive through it.

    Ohio State has turned it up the last few games though and if they win out and FSU or Bama lose then they certainly deserve a shot at the title game over Baylor or Stanford.
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    This is not good for FSU. What a political nightmare. Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't be a political issue at all, but it always is. I hope Winston isn't guilty of anything, but it's not looking good.
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    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm just looking at the games this weekend, not much of an upset chance.
    Nothing really worth watching at all. Bama plays a late game, yet again, so no watching that for me. Going to work late, so I'll get to see most of the 3:30 game. Which looks like Georgia/Auburn or Ok St./Texas.


    Next week, A&M/LSU and Baylor/Ok. St. look like fun. At least I'm currently scheduled to have next Saturday off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    Taj Boyd just broke a Clemson passing record.
    He almost broke a collarbone too. They're lucky he didn't get hurt worse.

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    Again, I have nothing against Northwestern... but is this really necessary?



    I feel bad for anyone who has to run through that cheesy thing.

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    This game is borderline blowout. I'm not sure how good Auburn is, but they're dominating against...well...half of Georgia.

    Miami struggling against Duke and Ohio State having problems with Illinois makes me smile.

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    Duke hung more points on Miami than FSU did.

    If Baylor wins out they deserve the #2 spot, imo.

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