[Australia] Man had access to a whopping 18k* worth of Child porn

[Strossus]

one of the very, very, very few reasons giving me the motivation to argue for death penalty.

[Niku]

Pedophilia is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

No, just no. Fuck! It's disgusting but it's not definable as a sickness. How exatcly is it a sickness? Is there a cure? Are we working on a cure? I just... what?

[Karadros]

Keep telling yourself that. Looking at pictures is looking at pictures. playing a game then going out and killing someone is completely different, your replies are stupid and you know it

No no, my point was that watching lolicon and then going out to sex up a child is about as likely as playing 'murder simulators' and then going out killing. Which is to say, not very.

Dude you need help before you do something utterly irredeemable*. Some prison time and some more time around titties afterwards, and restricted internet access...

I'm sure that'll work out fine for all the gays, too.
[Edit: Sarcasm.]

[Niku]

one of the very, very, very few reasons giving me the motivation to argue for death penalty.

You want this man to be put to death because he enjoyed childporn?

[Deleted]

this is a tragic story

all that effort gone to waste

[Toccs]

No no, my point was that watching lolicon and then going out to sex up a child is about as likely as playing 'murder simulators' and then going out killing. Which is to say, not very.

Haha we must have got our wires crossed somewhere because i agree with you. I was just saying someone wanking over loli isn’t much of a far cry away from sliding over to child porn, i could imagine its quite easy to fall into that from loli. (Not physically having sex with a child just the images)

Hence the slippery slope.

While watching child porn then going out to rape children, i think that transition would almost be a change of character and would only happen to people with mental issues or no concept of morality, then again watching child porn is pretty immoral too because you’re getting off on someone else’s discomfort.

[Tyrianth]

I guess my opinion is gonna be attacked because I view pedophilia as a sexual preference and not a fetish.

That's all it is. You don't pick who and what you are sexually attracted to. People view paedophilia along the same lines as people used to view homosexuality. They can't just be like "Nope, not attracted to this any more!".

Pedophilia is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

Homosexuality is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

Being black is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

Being jewish is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

[Darkdruidelf]

I read somewhere about a prison in Norway having some success by slowly reducing testosterone levels. *Shrugs* maybe a bit more research into it and we could actually do something about it. Wouldn't that be fantastic, not just for society but also for the people.

But either way, 18000 images...

That's nearly impressive, in a really sick kinda way.

Even if that was just normal porn, 18000 of them is a fucking crazy amount.

[Niku]

Well, here is the rub.

Only 100 years ago, Epilepsy was defined as insanity, and 500 years ago was defined as possession by the Devil.
Please don;'t get me wrong, its abhorrent in EVERY form. But if someone has the urges, never acts upon them (either viewing or action), yet admits to a doctor that he has the urges, should we lock him up?
Now lets fast forward 20 years from now, and suppose they realise its a simple mental illness controlled by a chemical, and with the application of one pill taken once, they will never have these urges again. Is it still justified to demand the head of someone for merely having an illness classified in the same vein as schizophrenia or paranoia?
Just food for thought.


(No, I am NOT Condoning this, far from it. It sickens me. But I am aware of the possibility, no matter how remote, it may be a physical illness and I don't discount anything)

I just can't see a sexual preference as a sickness. If it comes to light that that is what it is then I will admit me being wrong. To answer you first question, no I do not think we should lock him up. I mean are we such scared pussy mother fuckers that we lock anyone up without them actually having done something wrong? (I'm not talking thoughts, I mean they have had to had done an act that is deemed illegal). The answers is though: Yes, we are scared pussy mother fuckers and I could see us locking up someone for that reason alone. I don't agree with it.
When you say "demand the head" do you mean executing them? I'm Swedish so I'm alittle iffy on the expression. I could possible believe that if they refuse available medication that jailtime would be just. I need to think abit more on that one.

---------- Post added 2011-11-21 at 03:46 PM ----------

That's all it is. You don't pick who and what you are sexually attracted to. People view paedophilia along the same lines as people used to view homosexuality. They can't just be like "Nope, not attracted to this any more!".



Homosexuality is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

Being black is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

Being jewish is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

The reason I didn't play the "Gay card" upto now was that this, pedophilia, is a sexuality that kinda includes both hurting people and having sex with people who are not readily developed for sex. I do agree with you but I can just forsee people screaming at the top of the mountains "It's not the same thing!".

---------- Post added 2011-11-21 at 03:47 PM ----------

yay double post, fuck this shit.

[Knyx]

Lol, I wonder how many mmo-champion users are deleting their loli pictures right now after reading this thread. That's the same thing as child porn far as I'm concerned.[COLOR="red"]

How is it the same exactly? The whole idea behind child porn is that you're exploiting an underage individual to perform sexually-related acts when they can't possibly understand the ramifications of what they are doing. You are forcing a child to do things that will, in all probability, emotionally wreck them for the rest of their lives.

Tell me how a drawing can suffer these same consequences?

Now yes, if you are watching an animated depiction of a child performing sexual acts, you're probably a little more than slightly screwed up in the head....but it's not nearly the same as harming a child to get the same satisfaction.

[Tyrianth]

Slight difference though. Abusing a child and taking away their innocence, trust, and forcing them physically to do something when they have no real concept of what is happening, or why, is a FAR cry from two same sex people being intimate with each other willingly. It is called rape for a reason you know. All for what? So someone can get their jollies because that is what they are attracted to?
If someone has the urges, they will also be fully aware of just how wrong it is, and why they should never do it. This isn't a case of being attracted to a colour or a gender, but to children. Fricking CHILDREN. There is no justification EVER for putting a child into that situation simply for ones own personal gratification. By all means watch variants of anime etc, but as long as it is never escalated into a real life scenario.

Why people are even attempting to justify it sometimes astounds me.

I was never justifying. I was merely stating that people cannot chose who they are attracted to. I realise the difference between two consenting adults and a non-consenting child. And yes I do not think anyone should ever act out on their urges. But looking at CP is hardly acting out. And don't give me "But you're supporting the CP industry" bullshit. When was the last time anyone ever paid for porn?

[staart]

Well, here is the rub.

Only 100 years ago, Epilepsy was defined as insanity, and 500 years ago was defined as possession by the Devil.
Please don;'t get me wrong, its abhorrent in EVERY form. But if someone has the urges, never acts upon them (either viewing or action), yet admits to a doctor that he has the urges, should we lock him up?
Now lets fast forward 20 years from now, and suppose they realise its a simple mental illness controlled by a chemical, and with the application of one pill taken once, they will never have these urges again. Is it still justified to demand the head of someone for merely having an illness classified in the same vein as schizophrenia or paranoia?
Just food for thought.


(No, I am NOT Condoning this, far from it. It sickens me. But I am aware of the possibility, no matter how remote, it may be a physical illness and I don't discount anything)

Everything you think, say and do is controlled by chemicals, so you can define pretty much everything as a disease including love or actually the disliking of child pornography. Immorality is something subjective, so the question is, do we as the society have the right to permanently alter someones mind?

[Niku]

To "demand the head" of someone, is a old English exression during those good old lynch mob times, when you look for someone to blame and punish. Doesn't mean execution all the time, but usually the person who is being chased in this way has no real chance of a fair trial.

The thing is though, we do not understand what causes this to happen. Is it environmental? Is it developmental? Is it biological? We just do NOT know. I don't believe it is purely a sexual thing either, a lot of the time people rape for the power it provides them and the feeling of strength. Very rarely is a rape a purely sexual crime, but has another motive behind it.
Whilst I am not arguing the sexual enjoyment many might get, but it is also the feeling of dong something wrong, and the knowledge they have that level of power over some of the most defenseless members of our society, that of children.
I used the pill card just to maybe make some people re-think their (natural) response of "KILL THEM ALL!". if it could be controlled, as much as people may outcry "Oh God, your impugning their freedom!" Well, sorry guys, but something like this is worth controlling. No one has the freedom or justification ever to rape or willingly hurt a child in that manner.

I agree with you. I believe that this is a sexuality though. But since you don't deny that aspect and I can aknowledge how there is the aspect of dominance in it I can't do much else then agree with you.

[Toccs]

I was never justifying. I was merely stating that people cannot chose who they are attracted to. I realise the difference between two consenting adults and a non-consenting child. And yes I do not think anyone should ever act out on their urges. But looking at CP is hardly acting out. And don't give me "But you're supporting the CP industry" bullshit. When was the last time anyone ever paid for porn?

You can buy porn? who would have known lol.

Everything you think, say and do is controlled by chemicals, so you can define pretty much everything as a disease including love or actually the disliking of child pornography. Immorality is something subjective, so the question is, do we as the society have the right to permanently alter someones mind?

If your harming others then why not.

[Niku]

Actually there is pretty simple cure - sterilization. These guys have some sick needs, that are very hard to control. The might even be good citizens, have families, regular jobs, but yet they have to satisfy their deamons.

If they ever acted on these needs and harmed someone I'd be for it but as long as they don't, you get what I'm saying.
Inb4 "So someone has to get hurt before we do something!?" Yes, before we take action against an individuall, he has to have hurt someone.

[StayTuned]

I was never justifying. I was merely stating that people cannot chose who they are attracted to. I realise the difference between two consenting adults and a non-consenting child. And yes I do not think anyone should ever act out on their urges. But looking at CP is hardly acting out. And don't give me "But you're supporting the CP industry" bullshit. When was the last time anyone ever paid for porn?

it was cleary stated in OP post that this guy PAYED for the access to CP websites. Thus, he supported it actively.

Actually there is pretty simple cure - sterilization. These guys have some sick needs, that are very hard to control. The might even be good citizens, have families, regular jobs, but yet they have to satisfy their deamons.

I agree.

[Authary]

Slight difference though. Abusing a child and taking away their innocence, trust, and forcing them physically to do something when they have no real concept of what is happening, or why, is a FAR cry from two same sex people being intimate with each other willingly. It is called rape for a reason you know. All for what? So someone can get their jollies because that is what they are attracted to?
If someone has the urges, they will also be fully aware of just how wrong it is, and why they should never do it. This isn't a case of being attracted to a colour or a gender, but to children. Fricking CHILDREN. There is no justification EVER for putting a child into that situation simply for ones own personal gratification. By all means watch variants of anime etc, but as long as it is never escalated into a real life scenario.

Why people are even attempting to justify it sometimes astounds me.

Paedophilia is being attracted to children just like homosexuality is being attracted to grown people of the same sex. Rape is rape. An homosexual can rape, a paedophile can rape. Both are "wrong". However, you can be a paedophile and never hurt a child. The problem is you can't get willingly intimate with one so it's kinda hard to live.

[Niku]

Well they are supporting procuders with their money, so they are explictly responsible for harm that was done to kids on videos or images.

Well that goes back to my first post on this topic, and I reallllllllly don't want to start over....

[Tyrianth]

Its no different than sitting at home watching a rape video, knowing someone was harmed brutally in the making of it.

Except we don't lock people up for watching rape videos.

[Darkdruidelf]

I could count the shit ton of people I had to investigate during my time at a bank thank you very much. It is a HUGE industry, with lots of illegal money changing hands, so your argument that no one pays for it is naive at best. Outright insane at worst.
They cannot choose who they are attracted to, but you can choose whether to act on those urges or impulses or not. Looking at CP *is* acting out those urges. You are actively engaged in looking at childen being abused for your own sexual gratification. Just because your not physically present at the act, it doesn't mean your not enjoying the act itself from a distance. Its no different than sitting at home watching a rape video, knowing someone was harmed brutally in the making of it.
Try using the defence of "Oh, but I didn't pay for it, so I am not acting out my impulses" in front of a judge in Court, and see how far you get.

What about the loli stuff then?

I've never really understood why it's illegal. It's like giving a drug addict a small amount of something (like a nicotine patch) to suppress the urges so that they can move on from the drug. I mean, no ones hurt in it, so it being illegal makes no sense to me.

It's a really touchy subject but, in my opinion, more research needs to be done into it because all arguments devolve into 'I think' and 'Slippery slope' arguments, since we don't really have any concrete evidence about any of this shit, cus no one wants to be the guy who is depicted as supporting paedos (which is what the media would depict someone as if they did a serious study into it).

Obviously real shit is a whole different ball park. I'll give ya that one.

---------- Post added 2011-11-21 at 03:28 PM ----------

Except we don't lock people up for watching rape videos.

If there's evidence it's non-consensual, then yes, it is illegal.