7/8 DS Encounters favor Affliction

[Deleted]

Hey!

I wonder about the boss mechanics in Dragonsoul heroic. The only Encounter without any benefit for Affliction is Ultraxion. Every other Encounter is Multi Dot Dps Boss. Even if Affliction seems to be the weakest when you look at ej and simcraft, it will go through the roof. I play demo in our 10 man raid because we got no elemental shaman at the moment and 4% more spellpower for 3-4 dps and 2-3 Healers is to much to play affliction just for own favor. But if you have the choice I would advise to go affliction for all encounters except Ultraxion n/hc and Morchok n.

[Deleted]

Having to multidot doesn't automatically make Affliction the best spec

[Deleted]

If the fix to destruction is good then BoH on the one of the few adds most encounters have would be good as well.

[xskarma]

If the fix to destruction is good then BoH on the one of the few adds most encounters have would be good as well.

I agree, the one with the boss and the colour swapping adds you have to kill? BoH on boss and *pew pew pew* I doubt Affli will have anything on Destro that fight. Adds are to fast and too short lived for affli to be effective.

[Deleted]

Having to multidot doesn't automatically make Affliction the best spec

When you have to dps 2-5 targets afaik Affliction is THE best specc. If there are two encounters Destruction is equal, if you have one encounter, Demonology is best. But for sure we will see after a couple of weeks.

[Dastey]

My thoughts regarding balance on fights:
Morchok: 2 Adds tanked close together (I assume) = Affliction
Warlord Zon'ozz: Depends on enrage timer. If boss dps is needed, Destruction + BoH on add for extra dmg, if add dmg prioritized = Affliction
Yor'Sahj: I believe Demonology will be the best for this fight due to a heavy amount of AoE
Hagara: I am tempted to say that affliction and destruction will be very close here.
Ultraxion: Demonology no doubt
Gunship: Affliction can multi dot. Destro can do a bad multidot + BoH the boss at the start
Spine: Lots of AoE, no movement, I would say demo is the best
Deathwing: Clearly affliction

[impending doom]

Having to multidot doesn't automatically make Affliction the best spec

I agree, and another thing that people should not forget, is that making top dps isn't always the "best" choice, if we're looking from the point of view of killing the boss (and not dps rankings). For some encounters it's more crucial to have good burst dps at certain points, handling adds, survivability, dispels etc. Also the possibility to multidot, doesn't mean that you always should do it just to maximize dps, because some targets are more important than others. Shannox HC is a good example, to get a top dps ranking there you Have to play it "wrong" and waste lot of dps on targets that don't need to be damaged at all.

[Dr3ded]

I love playing demo but i fear i will be going affliction/destro for 4.3

[Deleted]

I can not see affliction being that good in Dragon soul. On fights like for example Heroic Morchok the boss is split and his stomp gives a debuff which is the reason they need to be so far apart from each other. So if you are affliction yes you will have Soul swap to put the first dots on the second add but you will need to run to them again after like 20 - 30 seconds which will decrease you over all dps and damage because your moving. On the other hand Destruction only needs to apply BoH once and can stay still on there own add therefore dps would be higher.

If you are a in a team for Dragon Soul I think personally Destruction and Demo is what you should be considering. I think blizzard know that affliction has had its imbaness throughout this expansion, and Its time for it to stand down so Demo and Destruction can feel there use.

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Morchok: Demo/Destruction/Affliction
Warlord Zon'ozz: Demo/Destruction
Yor'Sahj: Destruction/Demo
Hagara: Affliction/Destruction
Ultraxion: Destruction/Demo
Gunship: Demo/Destruction/Affliction
Spine: Destruction - The whole point on this is not to aoe down the adds fast as they can explode and wipe the raid!
Deathwing: Destruction/Demo/Affliction

Those who say demo on Spine because of the aoe please read how the fight works. If you are demo and AoE the Blood slimes down at the same time you will wipe the raid from them exploding. So its all about single target the adds down depending on the Big adds stacks, Once 9 its all about burst damage to get the armor plate off his back.

[Sockmaster]

Those who say demo on Spine because of the aoe please read how the fight works. If you are demo and AoE the Blood slimes down at the same time you will wipe the raid from them exploding. So its all about single target the adds down depending on the Big adds stacks, Once 9 its all about burst damage to get the armor plate off his back.

If it's all about burst damage to get the plate off of his back, then demo would be the best for that.

[Deleted]

How are the fights in DS when it comes to Demo's need to stand in melee range? Can a warlock just be a melee DPS there (or at least hit adds while still shadowflaming/conf aura-ing the boss? Or is there more need for ranged?

[robster1225]

I think it's a strong testament to the state of the Warlock class that we can even have this discussion.

Can you imagine mages talking about Frost being viable on certain fights within Dragon Soul?

[Deleted]

Can you imagine mages talking about Frost being viable on certain fights within Dragon Soul?

Why couldn't we ?

[Deleted]

I can not see affliction being that good in Dragon soul. On fights like for example Heroic Morchok the boss is split and his stomp gives a debuff which is the reason they need to be so far apart from each other. So if you are affliction yes you will have Soul swap to put the first dots on the second add but you will need to run to them again after like 20 - 30 seconds which will decrease you over all dps and damage because your moving. On the other hand Destruction only needs to apply BoH once and can stay still on there own add therefore dps would be higher.

If you are a in a team for Dragon Soul I think personally Destruction and Demo is what you should be considering. I think blizzard know that affliction has had its imbaness throughout this expansion, and Its time for it to stand down so Demo and Destruction can feel there use.

---------- Post added 2011-11-25 at 04:18 PM ----------

Morchok: Demo/Destruction/Affliction
Warlord Zon'ozz: Demo/Destruction
Yor'Sahj: Destruction/Demo
Hagara: Affliction/Destruction
Ultraxion: Destruction/Demo
Gunship: Demo/Destruction/Affliction
Spine: Destruction - The whole point on this is not to aoe down the adds fast as they can explode and wipe the raid!
Deathwing: Destruction/Demo/Affliction

Those who say demo on Spine because of the aoe please read how the fight works. If you are demo and AoE the Blood slimes down at the same time you will wipe the raid from them exploding. So its all about single target the adds down depending on the Big adds stacks, Once 9 its all about burst damage to get the armor plate off his back.

If you take a look at heroic, Zon'ozz fight is huge multidot boss. When it comes to Morchok heroic in my opinion range is not a question. 25 yards stomp range vs 40 yards spellcast range!

[Knoxi]

Morchok: Demo for nHC and maybe Destruction for HC. In HC you have 2 bosses but afaik you tank them far away from each other so no multidotting but BoH could work.
Warlord Zon'ozz: Demo for nHC because you want high Singletarget-DPS, Doomguard when boss has lots of stacks will push DPS by a lot. HC you can basically multidot the tentacles, so Aflli should do ok too. Destuction could be good too with BoH on Boss while nuking tentacles. But still i think Demo will make it just because of the high burst-DPS when boss has much stacks.
Yor'Sahj: All 3 Specs should be fine for nHC and HC. Demo has nice AoE for Faceless-Adds and best singletarget DPS on boss, Destruction has nice burst on blobs and affliction can do well too.. with soul swap you should be able to do good dmg on blobs even when they dont live very long.
Hagara: Spec doesn't matter imo, maybe Demo because the faster the boss dies the better.
Ultraxion: Demo because you want maximum singletarget DPS.
Gunship: Affliction. You should be able to do a lot of Multidotting both on nHC and HC.
Spine: Destruction should be best here DoTs are mostly contraproductive and the tendrils are targetable for only a short time.
Deathwing: Dunno, from what i've seen all three specs should do well.

In the end it's also a question of support especially for 10mans. If you don't have 10% Spellpower you will want you Warlock to play Demo on basically all fights, if you don't have replenishment you will want him to play Destruction. If you have both you can choose simply what fits the fight best.

[Deleted]

Or what he plays best ;p

[Napoles]

Will definitely be Affliction/Destruction, mostly since they use same gear/reforge.
Realistically i would only use Demo on fights when aoe burst is needed or I have high uptime on bosses melee range.
Right now it looks like Ultraxion and possibly Spine, not enough for me to go back in forth between reforge sets.

Also from my experience permanent Multi-dot situations have always made Affliction king.

[Count Zero]

Will definitely be Affliction/Destruction, mostly since they use same gear/reforge.
Realistically i would only use Demo on fights when aoe burst is needed or I have high uptime on bosses melee range.
Right now it looks like Ultraxion and possibly Spine, not enough for me to go back in forth between reforge sets.

Also from my experience permanent Multi-dot situations have always made Affliction king.

In t13 BiS, Demo and Destro both favor mastery.

[Dariela]

I think it's a strong testament to the state of the Warlock class that we can even have this discussion.

Can you imagine mages talking about Frost being viable on certain fights within Dragon Soul?

OMG, QFT!

According to my math, warlocks become the most viable PvE DPS class in the game come next patch. At least 2 fully viable PvE specs, and quite possibly a 3rd.

DPS differences small enough may as well not be counted, as lag/rng/what have you will always skew results, but by my math, there isn't another class that can claim as much parity between the specs as locks will be able to claim come 4.3

It makes me sad, really. We finally reach parity between our specs in 4.3, and MoP will come and change all the rules. Oh well. At least the MoP changes seems interesting. I can only hope they manage to keep the numbers as close as we have managed in Cata.

[HatsHatsHats]

In t13 BiS, Demo and Destro both favor mastery.

Does that mean I can make my offspec destro, keep my mastery gear on and not gimp myself?

Having everything mastery makes having an afflic OS useless =/