Why is Blizzard against giving loot priority to good players?

[Chickensoup23]

Some may see it as a QQ, but I'm trying to render justice here.

I just finished a RF with this Shaman. He was pulling 12k dps, but yet won 3 tokens in a 4-boss run because he was lucky. As much as I was 2nd place overall with an iLvl of 371, he still won them over me, because it needs to be fair. I understand.

Now, same thing happened to a DK in my guild. Lost some tokens to some people who clearly couldnt use it as much as him, but it has to be fair. Next story: I was in LFR last week with an enhence shaman who was doing 45k dps single-target, a real beast. Didn't know him but it was nice. I felt, again, bad, since I knew that tier could have went to better use.

I know that from the PoV of that "bad" player, it's not fair - but seriously, I think there needs to be a) more drops from raid finder b) another way to distribute loot, potentially based on deaths or performance.

Thoughts? I'm tired of this kind of stuff in LFR. It's not like heroics where you can re-do them over and over again until they drop...

[Ultima]

How do you go about assessing "good" play? Numbers? I can pump out ridiculous numbers without contributing to the raid in a beneficial aspect.

"Yes, top DPS! Although we nearly wiped due to me not kicking/ kiting/ clicking/ jumping."
"Hah, I took no damage from the stuff on the floor! However, I also did no damage to the boss as I was trying to be careful.."

It's laughable to measure healing by numbers and what on earth do you do for tanks?

[This name sucks]

How do you go about assessing "good" play? Numbers? I can pump out ridiculous numbers without contributing to the raid in a beneficial aspect.

"Yes, top DPS! Although we nearly wiped due to me not kicking/ kiting/ clicking/ jumping."
"Hah, I took no damage from the stuff on the floor! However, I also did no damage to the boss as I was trying to be careful.."

It's laughable to measure healing by numbers and what on earth do you do for tanks?

A good player does all of the above consistently. There can't be any compensation or short comings in a "good" player.

[Deleted]

Please ditch the entitlement issues and congratulate a player for winning a roll, even if you consider them an inferior player. A positive gaming experience (i.e. downing a boss and winning gear) will encourage them to continue playing. Better yet, why don't you help them or encourage others to offer help to improve their performance and put that shiny new gear to use.

[vaccine]

"Yes, top DPS! Although we nearly wiped due to me not kicking/ kiting/ clicking/ jumping."

This is LFR, such concepts are of no concern!

Really though, your £10 a month is as good as the bad players. It doesn't benefit their bottom line doing it as is, if they're sending all the loot to the best players in the raid it alienates the baddies.

[vesseblah]

Thoughts?

One of the stupidest ideas of today, and last year, and year before that. All the way to vanilla when people came up with this brilliant idea.

Simply because some players who do low dps may just be lacking gear and would gain immediately 5k dps by equipping epic weapon instead of quest blue, when same epic weapon would be 500 dps bonus to somebody who did 3k more in damage meter.

Quick math says the dude who did lower dps is just a new alt of actually better player, and any system based on any metrics run by computer automatically is doomed to fail. Therefore random chance is the best way to go.

[Heca]

Can you imagine the rage if Blizzard did give loot to people with the top HPS/DPS? Oh boy. "But that priest life gripped me into the ice wall so I would die! And now I he got loot over me since I couldn't get a rez!" You know nothing can be done about this, so there is no point in questioning it. It's a pug, meant to be very easy so even people who are trying a new spec or something can still obtain loot. If you want to ensure loot goes to good players, make a 10man PuG and handpick players you consider worthy of loot. No point in complaining about LFR.

[Deleted]

Numbers are only ONE aspect of good play.

Infact, a player with high numbers, but lacking all the other aspects, is more akin to a BAD player.

[Pharaohs]

Some may see it as a QQ, but I'm trying to render justice here.

I just finished a RF with this Shaman. He was pulling 12k dps, but yet won 3 tokens in a 4-boss run because he was lucky. As much as I was 2nd place overall with an iLvl of 371, he still won them over me, because it needs to be fair. I understand.

Now, same thing happened to a DK in my guild. Lost some tokens to some people who clearly couldnt use it as much as him, but it has to be fair. Next story: I was in LFR last week with an enhence shaman who was doing 45k dps single-target, a real beast. Didn't know him but it was nice. I felt, again, bad, since I knew that tier could have went to better use.

I know that from the PoV of that "bad" player, it's not fair - but seriously, I think there needs to be a) more drops from raid finder b) another way to distribute loot, potentially based on deaths or performance.

Thoughts? I'm tired of this kind of stuff in LFR. It's not like heroics where you can re-do them over and over again until they drop...

I believe it's called uh... RNG? You got shit luck, blizzard doesn't give loot priority to shit players at all, it's based on a roll, GG. If you put as much effort into finding a raiding guild, as you did crying on a forum, then maybe you might actually win some rolls and get gear. >_>

[StationaryHawk]

Or maybe we just all have to learn to be bad players. Then there will be no problem.

[Caiada]

Make something that A) calculates all that accurately every time, B) doesn't have any sorts of bias for class, fights, role, etc., and C) that more people agree acts fairly more often than the current system. Make sure it also takes as little dev time as possible, and that it is worth that dev time in comparison to other improvements that could be made. Finally, make sure that its implementation works properly and doesn't break anything else in the game. And even if it works, what consequences are there? Well, loots distributed a bit more fairly. Maybe less angry tickets. Perhaps you motivate some poorer players to get better for loot. You've also removed yet another thing that groups need to talk to each other about, loot rules, while creating a less flexible system more likely to have players disagree, along with giving arrogant players something to lord over others who can't manage the same 'numbers.'

Not saying it's a bad idea, but you need to consider everything.

[Mythricia]

It's LFR. It's an oversized 5man heroic. You roll, sometimes you win sometimes you lose, I have lost every single roll this week that I've done on 5 characters, and I don't really give a crap, because it was kinda fun to mess around on said 5 characters on DS bosses to see what I could do.


Blizzard can't realistically implement a system to detect "Good players", if they measure healing/dps done everyone will just dps/heal-whore and the quality of the LFR's will become lowers than they already are, and due to the fact healing (And in some cases DPS) are both sort of dynamic roles they can't possibly tell if you did something good or not.

So in short, don't do LFR if you expect your greatness to be rewarded. It wont be. And it never was, in random instances.

[Hedleyazg]

Better yet, why don't you help them or encourage others to offer help to improve their performance and put that shiny new gear to use.

I stopped doing this LONG ago because whenever you try to help people they rip your head off and say they play how they want to play or you don't know what you're talking about, etc.

[nagina]

You have to start somewhere, if you dont like to share loot with other "idiots", play with friends only / guildies.
Problem solved.

[Rhyseh]

One of the stupidest ideas of today, and last year, and year before that. All the way to vanilla when people came up with this brilliant idea.

Simply because some players who do low dps may just be lacking gear and would gain immediately 5k dps by equipping epic weapon instead of quest blue, when same epic weapon would be 500 dps bonus to somebody who did 3k more in damage meter.

Quick math says the dude who did lower dps is just a new alt of actually better player, and any system based on any metrics run by computer automatically is doomed to fail. Therefore random chance is the best way to go.

This statement would only be valid if there was no minimum ilvl to do LFR. In reality if you do less than 20k DPS (as a DPS role that is) on any boss in LFR (Particularly Zon'ozz) you are getting carried and have no right to the loot. Last LFR I was in I was doing 10% of the raids damage and won nothing, despite rolling on four pieces. It's frustrating losing out to a Shaman doing 9k DPS, however I can't see a feasible method of automatically measuring performance and fairly distributing loot.

[Bigitybones]

your time is worth the same as his therefore he is as entitled to loot as you are. not happy join a raiding guild with loot rules thats what they are here for.

[Banzhe]

Please ditch the entitlement issues and congratulate a player for winning a roll, even if you consider them an inferior player. A positive gaming experience (i.e. downing a boss and winning gear) will encourage them to continue playing. Better yet, why don't you help them or encourage others to offer help to improve their performance and put that shiny new gear to use.

In a nutshell, well put EZd..!

[Pancaspe]

Winning the Roll trumps everything. End of story, no qualifiers.

[Penguinetta]

Thoughts? I'm tired of this kind of stuff in LFR. It's not like heroics where you can re-do them over and over again until they drop...

It has been 1 week. 1 WEEK. You have the next 6 months+ to do them over and over and over and over and over... until MoP.

[Selacia]

And people like this make me want to be able to leave raid chat.
Either suck it up and deal, or find 24 other elitist snobs to run with and compare e-peens with.

And before you ask, I'm an elemental shaman who pulls 23-25k in a raid, while staying out of the fire, interrupting, purging, and switching to adds when needed. I just have no tolerance for ignorant people like the OP.