Another Madness of Deathwing help thread

[konaman]

My guild is currently progressing through madness of deathwing and is right now having problems reaching p2. This was our first real night of progression on him and we seemed to be doing pretty well but the 4th platform was always causing problems generally because during the elementium bolt. This is our log of last night and any pointers towards healing, dps, tanks or strategy in general would be much appreciated. http://worldoflogs.com/reports/1qnw6gznisv6ny1q/

[krelianzg]

What platform are you doing last? I'm assuming it's not yellow, since the Bolt killed you all. However, that shouldn't be a problem with a Shaman healing. Just make sure the Corruption is dead before the Bolt comes out (use pots and DPS CDs if need be) and then have everyone stack on the tank at the far end of the platform and drop Spirit Link. Then it's business as usual on the tentacle once you kill the Bolt.

You'll have to give us more details about the strategy you're using if you want more specific help though. Looking at your log, people don't seem to use Dream much, but that doesn't mean much if you're doing Ysera's platform first. The other thing is, DPS on fourth platform seemed pretty low and inconsistent even before people started dying. Are your DPS not sure about priorities there? Lastly, you have several people at a time being whacked by the Corruption fairly often. You have to get more spread out and have everyone able to adapt on the fly to reposition if you see 2-3 people at a time taking hits.

[konaman]

We're using a 1-2-7 setup and our platform order is green -> yellow -> red -> blue. I would definitely agree with you on not being spread out enough while corruptions are up we often have 3 people being hit at once by the slam. As far as cooldowns go I'm using AM on both the 3rd and 4th bolt and we have SLT for the 4th as well.

[InfernalKatana]

Our raid guild has 2 ten man groups. The first group killed it with the standard 3 2 1 4 order. Our group was having trouble with the elementium bolt as well, so we actually changed the order to 3 1 2 4, that way we only had to deal with a fast bolt once. Mages used ice block, everyone used personal cooldowns (cloak, AMS, deterrance, etc.) so we only had to go through it once. It meant we had to deal with tentacles twice though.

[Cynadra]

I don't see why people try and 1 tank 2 heal this... DPS shouldn't be an issue. My guild currently does this with 2 tank, 3 healers and 5 DPS. As long as your DPS are on their game you will be fine. If they arn't.. then you might need to recruit new DPS or tell your current ones to learn to play. Heroic mode enrage timers are rough.

If you can 1 tank this, cool. But I would still suggest 3 healing it. 6 DPS is more than enough.

[krelianzg]

We 1 tank, 3 heal it. We found that by adding a 6th DPS, we never ever see more than one impale per platform, so it's not a strain at all.

We go Green, Red, Yellow, Blue, which would give you more CDs to work with on the 3rd/4th platform since you're only actually dealing with 1 Bolt (including personal CDs like mentioned above). The Blistering Tentacles shouldn't be an issue at all, so Red isn't really a big deal. More importantly, keeping the Yellow buff for an extra platform helps conserve more healer mana. Also, since the Corruption should be dead when Bolt is up on 4th, your bear tank can Tranq if need be on one of those.

I really would not worry at all about conserving CDs for P2 until you iron out the platforms. Just go all out on 3/4 until you're routinely seeing P2 and things should fall into place. We found that DPS steadily went up as we progressed on Madness, just from DPS becoming more and more comfortable with all the target switching and the fact that they can use long CDs multiple times over the course of the fight.

[konaman]

We are going with a 1-2-7 setup because there have been a lot of posts here stating that 1-2-7 is the best way to go for raids closer to the 378 gear lvl. Our raid tried a 2 tank 3 healer setup last week I believe(I was not available for it) and I guess it was not working out as well.

[Gorino]

try doing green > red > yellow > blue. Helped us the first time we killed it.

[Deleted]

Might be different as we do it on 25's but our order is 2-3-1-4, works best for us.

[krelianzg]

Well, our group probably has an average ilvl of about 385 or so, and 1-3-6 was completely fine. Here's our log from last week's kill if you want to see what kind of DPS is required for that to be comfortable;

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/t...?s=5585&e=6463

If you can manage it, 3-healing makes the last platform and P2 pretty trivial compared to trying to 2-heal.

[konaman]

Currently were barely getting the corruptions down in time on our 3rd and 4th platform and in some cases not getting them down in time which leads to a death so I don't know if we can switch to 3 healers. It seems like our options our either 1-2-7 a 2-2-6 or 2-3-5.

[KidCanuck]

Use personal CD's for the bolt. People who don't have personal CD's should stack up as far as they can get from the impact point (probably under the wing tentacle) and you should have the shaman pop his totem and AoE heal to get people's max health up, combined with rallying cry. I know that cloak works to negate the bolt, and I would strongly suspect that deterrance, AMS, dispersion etc. would work. Those people with the CD's can stay out and get on the bolt as soon as it lands to prevent the pulse.

Another option which could be viable is have your DK pop AMZ on the stacked people. If you're really hitting a wall on that bolt, that could really help (absorbs around 35-40K magic damage on average I think). Also power word barrier, if you could re-juggle your classes to have a disc priest. But these are both really drastic steps, my suggestions above should get you through this part.

[Darktheist]

Currently were barely getting the corruptions down in time on our 3rd and 4th platform and in some cases not getting them down in time which leads to a death so I don't know if we can switch to 3 healers. It seems like our options our either 1-2-7 a 2-2-6 or 2-3-5.

Trust me, drop a tank preferably if you have a Disc Priest and a Pally tank. second make sure your DPS are using CD's on the Coruptions not the Deathwing tentacles during the cataclysm phase. This should mean that you can kill the corruption just as the bolt dies. don't 2 heal it your dropping a tank and gaining a healer and it should make that last platfrom almost no issue as long as they use like a tranquility of something. the real issue is in the last phase. we basically killed all the Shrapnel adds as fast as possible, our tank grabbed the two Elementium Terror's and popped everything he could to stay alive, after those two adds die NUKE DE BIG DRAGOOOON. We popped everything and burned the shit into him ignoring anything else. I can't really say to much about platform 4 it's pretty easy with 3 healers.

[MythDanish]

So im seeing alot of 1-3-6 here.

My raid time does 2-3-5 and I was wondering if with our gear and such, do you guys think we could 1-3-6 it?

Heres our logs from our night of 2-3-5, keep in mind this was our very first night on this fight.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ayvk7x7chbemhzem/

Our platforms go Ysera-Alexstrasza-Norzdormu-Kalecgos.

Our biggest issue is Elementium bolt on the 4th Platoform, but once we got that under the belt, we did have a wipe at 4% on the tentacle when he was casting Cataclysm.

Any suggestions?

[konaman]

Trust me, drop a tank preferably if you have a Disc Priest and a Pally tank. second make sure your DPS are using CD's on the Coruptions not the Deathwing tentacles during the cataclysm phase. This should mean that you can kill the corruption just as the bolt dies. don't 2 heal it your dropping a tank and gaining a healer and it should make that last platfrom almost no issue as long as they use like a tranquility of something. the real issue is in the last phase. we basically killed all the Shrapnel adds as fast as possible, our tank grabbed the two Elementium Terror's and popped everything he could to stay alive, after those two adds die NUKE DE BIG DRAGOOOON. We popped everything and burned the shit into him ignoring anything else. I can't really say to much about platform 4 it's pretty easy with 3 healers.

We already have dropped a tanked were currently running 1-2-7 and are barely getting the 3rd and 4th corruptions down in time.

---------- Post added 2011-12-16 at 08:16 PM ----------

So im seeing alot of 1-3-6 here.

My raid time does 2-3-5 and I was wondering if with our gear and such, do you guys think we could 1-3-6 it?

Heres our logs from our night of 2-3-5, keep in mind this was our very first night on this fight.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ayvk7x7chbemhzem/

Our platforms go Ysera-Alexstrasza-Norzdormu-Kalecgos.

Our biggest issue is Elementium bolt on the 4th Platoform, but once we got that under the belt, we did have a wipe at 4% on the tentacle when he was casting Cataclysm.

Any suggestions?

I would say you definitely could with your dps.

[Darktheist]

We already have dropped a tanked were currently running 1-2-7 and are barely getting the 3rd and 4th corruptions down in time.

Make sure there not infatuating DPS by popping CD's during the increased damage phase. Looking at it you should be able to get the Corruptions down just after the bolts come which is what happend with us too. as for the last platform obviously have everyone run away from the bolt as far as possible and have your tank pop a CD, then use Tranquillity. I can't really help you too much more. give it some practice when you can, gl.

[coolye]

http://www.icy-veins.com/madness-of-...ailed-strategy

i love this strat, i used it yesterday and we got two phase 2 on like the 5th attempt, we kinda wasted BL on 4th platform cause, when the elementium bolt spawns it shoots down super quick, so that means everyone away from swirly, i would pop tranq and i think my pally healer popped aura mastery. We survived and bam phase2, we killed the first 2 adds and tentacles and we just try to burn thru everyone w/o killing adds, we got it to 12%, but imagine we had BL we prob kill it.

---------- Post added 2011-12-16 at 08:31 PM ----------

you also wanna 2 tank it, and 3 heal it, unless u got pro healers and they can 2 man it. Im sure it can be done. Healing was super easy the first 3 platform so CD's should be saved for 4th platform, try to go thru 4th platform w/o BL. Save LUST/TW/hero for phase 2 after killing the first sets of add/tentacles, once adds are down POP lust and dps down the head to 0%.

Also remember on the first platform a Hunter/Shadow Priest watever range DPS, can dps the other platform, like for instance, you hunter could go to the "4th platform" and dps it down to 92-93%, if u dps it too below 90% i believe there is extra dmg going out not sure. But yes, at the beginning DPS is super easy so have one of your range dps go dps 4th plat. and make sure he comes back to get some heals. That extra 8% off 4th plat. could make a big difference, especially if your letting cata finish casting which equals wipe.

[gnomebutt]

Trust me, drop a tank preferably if you have a Disc Priest and a Pally tank. second make sure your DPS are using CD's on the Coruptions not the Deathwing tentacles during the cataclysm phase. This should mean that you can kill the corruption just as the bolt dies. don't 2 heal it your dropping a tank and gaining a healer and it should make that last platfrom almost no issue as long as they use like a tranquility of something. the real issue is in the last phase. we basically killed all the Shrapnel adds as fast as possible, our tank grabbed the two Elementium Terror's and popped everything he could to stay alive, after those two adds die NUKE DE BIG DRAGOOOON. We popped everything and burned the shit into him ignoring anything else. I can't really say to much about platform 4 it's pretty easy with 3 healers.

This is the exact strategy we are successful with and we are even using a warrior tank. If your not able to to 1 tank 3 heal with your dps averaging between 41-45k then you most likely are still under geared for it.

[Deleted]

Are people really able to burn phase 2 with 2-3-5 only killing 1 set of adds?
We got our first kill this week using 2-3-5 and had to kill off 2 sets, terrors included.
Beat hard enrage by 30s or so had several wipes previous week to it.

[Sigismundo]

We went with a 1-2-7 for our kill. I think when doing that set up you really should do yellow 2nd to last. It is already a pretty big strain on the healers towards the end mana wise and making them deal with 2 elementium bolts is going to hurt. Since you have 7 dps dealing with tentacles (especially on yellow with the haste buff) should be no problem. For us it was managing how to get through elementium and last platform and still have mana for head phase. There it is all about people not being dumb and using the dream cooldown on shranel and then just whenever possible once you are ignoring and burning. What we did was kill both sets of tentacles, but only the first set of big adds. Lusted right around when tentacles were almost dead based on time to die for boss.

If you switched to a 1-3-6 you could maybe do green>yellow>red>blue more easily. Your dps challenge will be to get corruptions down 2 times before 2nd impale.