Fixing JC.

[Johnp]

Is there any information regarding if or when they are going to fix JC, since now we got the epic gems?

I'm starting to think about dropping it for BS.

Thanks in advance.

[quietstrm07]

I haven't heard any updates for this but my question for you is do you really feel the +49 stats is really worth releveling a profession and losing out on a major goldmaking opportunity? You have to remember, JC takes time to get all the recipes vs. just gold (BS). I would personally strongly recommend against making the change unless you are in one of the top progression guilds (and even then, I don't think it'd be necessarily justified since this could change in the future)

EDIT: You also have to remember, BS only becomes better than other professions when you have full epic gems and JC only becomes relatively worse at the same point

[Sillvir]

First, I really don't see how JC is broken? 0.0

Second, Don't drop JC for BS if your in it for the gold. JC comes out on top overall, although collecting recipes can take some time, it pays off in the end. At the release of patch 4.3, I made 35k gold in 5 hrs playing time. Here's the proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVDV...el_video_title

But yes, stick with JC imo if your in for the gold. If your talking in relation to better gear and stats based on your professions, BS might do you better, but JC also has the +67 gems. Keep everything in mind when making your decision and good luck to ya.

[MerinPally]

It's not entirely broken but the problem is that with the inclusion of epic gems, the JC special gems were not buffed.

Before - JC gave 3*27 = 81 extra points assuming you go mastery. BS gave 80. Pretty even. Now, with the new epic gem, the net gain from each mastery gem for JC is only 17, therefore the bonus is +51, whereas for BS it is suddenly +100, therefore making it double as valuable.

Back in WOTLK they buffed thevalue fo the JC gems if I remember in response to this. This time round they haven't. Those extra stats won't make "all" the difference but why be less than best.

Personally, I'm not dropping my JC as I'm the guild JC I have most of the patterns that anyone could need. However, when my guildys ask me what they should do (considering many of them only picked it up for the slightly more OP gems and therefore never got many/any recipes) I urge them to drop it for the extra bonus.

As I said, it's not make or break unless you're pushing for world firsts, which seeing as they've already been completed, I can assure you that you won't need them. So, unless you don't mind losing all those recipes then feel free to switch but it may be fixed in the future so you never know.

[Sillvir]

It's not entirely broken but the problem is that with the inclusion of epic gems, the JC special gems were not buffed.

Before - JC gave 3*27 = 81 extra points assuming you go mastery. BS gave 80. Pretty even. Now, with the new epic gem, the net gain from each mastery gem for JC is only 17, therefore the bonus is +51, whereas for BS it is suddenly +100, therefore making it double as valuable.

Back in WOTLK they buffed thevalue fo the JC gems if I remember in response to this. This time round they haven't. Those extra stats won't make "all" the difference but why be less than best.

Personally, I'm not dropping my JC as I'm the guild JC I have most of the patterns that anyone could need. However, when my guildys ask me what they should do (considering many of them only picked it up for the slightly more OP gems and therefore never got many/any recipes) I urge them to drop it for the extra bonus.

As I said, it's not make or break unless you're pushing for world firsts, which seeing as they've already been completed, I can assure you that you won't need them. So, unless you don't mind losing all those recipes then feel free to switch but it may be fixed in the future so you never know.

This was really nicely put. Great response.

For money, BS is incomparable to JC, but for stats and gear, your better rolling BS before you go too hard into JC.

[Zehroh]

I thought the JC gems were updated on PTR and they will update it on live when more ppl have epic gems in their gear.

Makes sense because else you have an insane stat buff which is unfair compared to enchanting for example.

[Tatsu]

I thought the JC gems were updated on PTR and they will update it on live when more ppl have epic gems in their gear.

Makes sense because else you have an insane stat buff which is unfair compared to enchanting for example.

They were update on the PTR, then the updated was rolled back. There hasn't been any information whether this will make it to live or not.

[Johnp]

By fixing JC I meant: when they are going to buff the +67 stats gems. Right now, it's already affordable to put epic gems in all your gear slots.

I know that must ppl don't care about optimizing a set of gear to the fullest, but a +100 stat bonus that BS offers right now, against the 51 from JC in a full epic gemmed toon is a lot IMHO.

[gosouth17]

Its not only JC though, every profession bonus would need to be readjusted to keep the balance, because every profession is now behind blacksmithing in terms of specific stat gain, just JC is the furthest behind even behind herbing(lol)

[Hartlin]

This really is a frustrating problem that I tend to believe was overlooked in the process of adding new gems. Hopefully this gets fixed soon.

[Deleted]

They had to choose between making it underpowered to fully epic gemmed characters, or overpowered for non fully epic gemmed chars. Since the first ones are the less frequent, and the most inclined to change prof to keep the best bonuses (since they clearly care a loot about getting the best, be it either because they have a lot of gold or they are in a cutting edge guild), they leave it like it is.

Unless they make epic gems far more accesible, they will leave as it is.

[Dhurn]

I went through the armories of quite a few people from top progressed guilds, and couldn't find a single one with full epic gems in every slot. I would say when fully epic gemmed gear becomes a reality for your average raider (~3-4 months I'd say), then they might do something about it. I'm not holding my breath. I'll stay JC though cause it's just too many patterns to delete.

[Tpakep]

Give more epic gems pls!

[Deleted]

Does the loss of the 30 statpoints make JC now the least buffing profession?

[Constantino]

every profession gives 80 or 81 stats. AFAIK anyway, except now JC, under the constraint of full epics.

Seeing how all epics gems are designed not to be very obtainable, I guess they did not see JC as an issue.

If they did buff the epic gems, JC would swing the other way, as JC suddenly would get 3 "free" epic gems.

With the way epic gems are handled now, there is no simple solution, other than to maybe draw a line in the sand at some point, where blizzard believes that full epics are a reasonable expectation, and then buff JC at that point.

[Kirigi]

Let him drop JC. It'll be funny to see him post weeping about how Blizz is so unfair as to make him change professions when the next week they buffed JC.

Tired of the whining.

[Deleted]

I dropped JC recently, thanks to this nonsense, even though I leveled it in Cata and it costed me like 10k gold.
So I burned another 15k for BS to 525 (even though you get the extra socket at 400 I know) and took engineering aswell, and that's even more expensive.

Costs a lot to be optimized these days, while blizzard could simply even things out...

[killabee]

I don't think JC is broken just because they didn't upgrade the JC gems (yet).

There is something ironic about the way it works out:

JC is by far the best money making profession. Epic gems are rare drops and thus expensive -> JC allows you to get rid of your JC gems in favor of Epic gems faster than average, maximizing the speed at which you minimize JC benefit as a profession in terms of pure stat gain

[Deleted]

in a few weeks chimera eyes could get buffed...
probably at the same time, pyrium ores will be able to get prospected.

[Constantino]

in a few weeks chimera eyes could get buffed...
probably at the same time, pyrium ores will be able to get prospected.

I approve of this post if only to see people run out and stockpile ore just to get hosed again lol.

in reality, no way blizz backs off the current model of epic gems.