End Game -- Why the Rush?

[CrunkJuice5]

Thats modern games.

not really

modern mmos are pretty much based on your gear and your class.but i dont know,one of the things i already dislike about sw tor without even playing it is the fact it seems like your pretty much pigeon holded into one spec for every class if you wanna be good in pve

but i dont know,if i think about it.maybe its just retards on forums that are like that cuz without damage meters or combat logs i dont really see how you can judge which spec is good and which spec is bad pve wise

[Octaboom]

K9, love the post.

I think I have to agree with you on just about everything. While I never got overly excited about pvp in WoW, I did enjoy it. And for a while was the focus of my playing, especially after a rough day at work. Was fun to take frustrations out on the "bad" guys.

Something that I too missed in WoW, until I started playing more alts to learn those classes, was the Lore. As I played more alts I dug into other aspects of the game, and found that WoW really was pretty deep and wide. But the pressure to get to end game for the guild or for whatever reason would force me to rush back to an existing max level toon, or rush an alt to max level. So, while I learned a lot of the lore for a bit, I missed more and more as I leveled higher and higher.

With TOR, I have 1 max level toon. The class quest was SOOOOOOO compelling that I couldn't stop playing that toon. Now he's sitting around collecting dust while I wait on guildies to catch up, but I'm in no rush to jump into end game content. I'm taking that time to play other classes, and get their stories, seeing the Galaxy from different points of view. Hell, I'm even doing another of my max levels class and trying the story line in a different manner. I'm have a BLAST exploring the TOR Galaxy. I love how BW has worked with Lucas to build this galaxy's structure, and giving each of us a way to fill that structure out.

Like K9 I don't play TOR as much as I did WoW because I'm not rushing to the end game. I find myself enjoying aspects of TOR that I overlooked or rushed past in WoW. And at the same time actually spending time in the Real World because I don't feel like TOR just has to be played. I can miss a day or 2 or 3 and not feel that I'm falling behind.

I really enjoyed your post, and your points. I just felt that I had to respond and show that you're not alone in your assessment of TOR and the enjoyment of it.

[vizzle]

I don't know why this thread was bumped but there (and I realize it was made 2 months ago) is no rush to end game... game's been out two months, if you still aren't 50, it's not because you didn't rush, it's because you're awfully slow.

[Ealyssa]

If you want to play DPS you'll have to rush. Guilds allready only recruit people in full columi on my server for 8/16 NM progression. If you are behind you won't find a spot (or you are sage healer, everybody need them).

And that's pretty much universal to all MMO I tried.

[Valeron]

I don't know why this thread was bumped but there (and I realize it was made 2 months ago) is no rush to end game... game's been out two months, if you still aren't 50, it's not because you didn't rush, it's because you're awfully slow.

I'm not level 50 yet. I usually play a bit every day but I also am a big altaholic.

[_Myth_]

I don't know why this thread was bumped but there (and I realize it was made 2 months ago) is no rush to end game... game's been out two months, if you still aren't 50, it's not because you didn't rush, it's because you're awfully slow.

Not necessarily^^ Ive been playing since day 1 of Early Access and i have yet to reach 50. Mainly because i server hopped a few times for various reasons before settling on my current server,which is great =) In all that time ive levelled two Sith Assassins (deception) up to Voss and also one Jedi Shadow (infiltration) up to Belsavis.

The point being,with regards to the OP,i never felt the need to rush to 50 because i love the mid-game so much..and still do. Im currently playing the final incarnation of my SA..so its the third time ive played through the storyline and im still not bored. No space-bar mashing through cutscenes and the likes. Just taking it slow and enjoying it all.

Im sure that would make other types of players insane lol Either way,i think the OP made some excellent points that are still pertinent. =)

[Deleted]

Sounds like you could use a couple good single player games, which is what swtor levelling reminds of the most. Other players are a nuisance, usually preventing you from achieving goals rather than helping. Levelling is awesome, but it is a single player RPG in it's core.

[The Acrimony]

You enjoy a game your way, some people enjoy a game a different way.
Why do you have to tell them your opinion is more valid than theirs? It's not.

Exactly this^

@ The OP: I've played through MMOs to reach the level cap while paying attention to the story, and it's not as fun to me as what end-game has to offer. I don't understand why you came on here just to tell everyone your opinion like it's some sort revelation that is so universal and applicable to everyone.

I do not have fun taking it slow and reading all the quests. I have fun competing in end-game content. Enjoy the game your way and I'll enjoy it mine, preferably without having to listen to people like you thinking that your version of fun is or should be the same as mine.

[RickJamesLich]

Good post, to be honest, I have the most fun in wow when I'm leveling toons, either through old world dungeons or lowbie pvp.... at 85 I find I'm usually just flying around ogrimmar, checking the AH, and waiting 90 minutes for a dragon soul pug raid to form. I've got 10 85's now, to be honest some people think that's a massive deal, but to be honest, I spent less time with that stuff than I have with raiding or achievements (ESPECIALLY THIS) and it's a lot more fun getting to learn the classes.

I've been playing since launch too, I've recently stopped - the game has gotten too boring and lost most of it's magic for me. I kinda miss the days when it was about finding an epic battle and finding your place in the horde or alliance, as opposed to sitting in SW and waiting for a dungeon queue to pop (you end up waiting 45 minutes for a dungeon you clear in 15) or going into DS and one shotting bosses that were suposed to be a threat to the world lol.

[Fencers]

My point to this long thesis, I think too many of us get caught up in having to get those pretty purple pixels and we do not allow ourselves to enjoy the games we are playing. If you're playing TOR, do not be worried about capping out, enjoy the game. Once you do this, you will not be disappointed by what TOR delivers. And stop comparing it to WoW's game mechanics, this isn't WoW.

Well, to each their own. I do not enjoy sub-level cap play personally. Though I respect those how like a relaxed pace of questing and so forth.

That said, there are many players like myself who are expressly interested in endgame in an MMO. And we are not all bored or feel it's a second job either. I greatly enjoy endgame in TOR and WoW, much more so than running around Hoth killing monsters. My guild and I are having a blast!

The reason why I state this is a trend to view those who pursue endgame in MMOs as not having fun. Which is so foolish it'd be like saying those who enjoy virtual fishing are not really having fun.

[_Myth_]

Sounds like you could use a couple good single player games, which is what swtor levelling reminds of the most. Other players are a nuisance, usually preventing you from achieving goals rather than helping. Levelling is awesome, but it is a single player RPG in it's core.

Whats wrong with that? =) I think its wonderful. I played WoW for 7yrs with my current tastes and mindset. I love story,i love solo play and im also gigantic fan of Warcraft as it is..played and loved all the RTS titles long before WoW even existed. Having said that,i also like the social aspects of MMO's and the ever evolving nature of the gameplay/mechanics and the sense of community.

WoW was mind blowing to me back in its glory days and i pretty much tried to play it like it was a solo game with other things added on like dungeons/raids and pvp lol theres nothing wrong with that =) I just think that SWTOR is the first MMO that puts the player character in a more central role and gives us more storyline,more reasons to be invested in an actual storyline. Its a hybrid of a single player RPG and an atypical MMORPG in my opinion.

The only thing i dont understand about your post is...what do you mean when you say other players are a nuisance in SWTOR? I feel the total opposite since most of the important stuff,with regards to storyline anyways,is instanced and all your own. Except for some bonus quests when 10 ppl are camping the same boss mob lol :/

(Btw,i assumed you where replying to me..if im wrong..well,im replying to you anyways lol^^)

[CrunkJuice5]

Whats wrong with that? =) I think its wonderful.

because if your going to make a mmorpg.you pretty much already failed if your focusing on the single player aspect

massive multiplayer online video game.what mmorpg stands for.but i dont know,end game wise if it really is true that people generally dont invite in melee dps because of the flashpoints and operations being harsh to melee thats kinda disapointing.ive always enjoyed playing melee more then ranged dps and casters in mmorpgs

but i could be wrong.i know the person i saw on the official forums who made a post about it pretty much 95 percent of the responses were some form of trolling him so maybe i heard wrong

[Leonard McCoy]

because if your going to make a mmorpg.you pretty much already failed if your focusing on the single player aspect

massive multiplayer online video game.what mmorpg stands for.but i dont know,end game wise if it really is true that people generally dont invite in melee dps because of the flashpoints and operations being harsh to melee thats kinda disapointing.ive always enjoyed playing melee more then ranged dps and casters in mmorpgs

but i could be wrong.i know the person i saw on the official forums who made a post about it pretty much 95 percent of the responses were some form of trolling him so maybe i heard wrong

That's not true at all. In fact the success of that other game was primarily in part due to the fact that unlike its predecessor EQ you could actually do shit by yourself and not have to have a group.The single player could get stuff done.

[obdigore]

because if your going to make a mmorpg.you pretty much already failed if your focusing on the single player aspect

massive multiplayer online video game.what mmorpg stands for.but i dont know,end game wise if it really is true that people generally dont invite in melee dps because of the flashpoints and operations being harsh to melee thats kinda disapointing.ive always enjoyed playing melee more then ranged dps and casters in mmorpgs

but i could be wrong.i know the person i saw on the official forums who made a post about it pretty much 95 percent of the responses were some form of trolling him so maybe i heard wrong

it is also 'massively multiplayer online role playing game'. 90% of the community doesn't RP any more than the game forces them to, either. Trying to tell someone they are doing it wrong because they are avoiding one of the words in the term used to describe the genre is foolish, in my opinion.

[PhilCosby]

ITT: rose-tinted goggles and opinions stated as fact.

Play what you want for fun; doesn't matter what game you play.

[Vulgrym]

Good post my friend, good post.

MMOs are for fun, not instant gratification.

So many have forgot that.

The problem with this is that even if you take it slow, the vast, vast majority of your time will be spent at end-game.

I took my sweet time leveling my Sith Warrior to 50 and, for the most part, I really enjoyed the leveling experience. Unfortunately, the major innovation in this game ends with Companions and storytelling. I actually think they took steps backwards in terms of how to spend your time @ end game compared to WoW.

I may try another character/story, but truth be told, I've already seen my favorite style of toon and I'd rather be playing single-player games if my focus is going to be leveling (i.e. no sub!).