RF Gurthalak vs. Normal Slicer

[Deleted]

Hai MMO.

So tonight Experimental Specimen Slicer dropped, and being as no one needed it I have it in my bags and am unsure if it will be better than the Raid finder version of Tentaclespawner.

I'd be gaining crit, mastery, a small amount of str and a red socket, but looking at logs the tentacle(s) did the following DPS.

Yor'sahj: 9.8k
Zon'ozz: 17.8k
Hagara: 10.9k
Ultraxion: N/A (was tanking!)
Warmaster: (was also tanking)
Spine: 11k
Madness: 15.7k

So I'm wondering if the upgrade to stats is going to be more of a damage output from the tentacle procs.

[Butosai]

are you sure your tenticles did that much dps? they usually do like 6k tops

[Lolsteak]

The tentacles probably did that much DPS while they were active, not overall

[Deleted]

The tentacles probably did that much DPS while they were active, not overall

Yes, that's their active DPS as represented on logs (obviously overall it's slightly lower).

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are you sure your tenticles did that much dps? they usually do like 6k tops

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/0...one/?enc=kills

Just show pets.

[Nevermourne]

Probably do a spreadsheet to find that out. First impulse is the 397 slicer > 390 gulthalak simply because it has higher top end damage and more strength, but the only way to know for sure is to run the numbers and see exactly how much dmg the tentacles from the weapon do on average.

[ImpTaimer]

You choose burst over sustained. The LFR Gurth proc is amazing, if you can get it to proc. The normal Slicer has higher damage and stats.

Honestly, my dream setup for my warrior is one or two Gurths, a Bone-link Fetish, and a Vial of Shadow. My "more practical" setup would be one-two Slicers, Creche, and an Eye.

Procs that do things besides buff stats are so much more fun than just going through the motion (rotation), but only as long as they don't effect your rotation.

Also keep in mind Ghostcrawler didn't do his sweep of nerfs yet, so expect the proc items to take a big hit.

[Butosai]

forgot to answer the question, the LFR gurthalak is much better than the normal slicer, just as the normal gurthalak is much better than the heroic slicer

[Eon Drache]

outside of the fact that it is better for dps. It is a lot of fun. Ever have 5+ Tentacles up at a time? SOOO MUCH FUN!

[Deleted]

I don't know how you guys manage to get the procc to be good. For me the tentacle is barely doing 2% out of all my damage per fight when I tried it. Whats the secret?

[Kenjji]

I don't know how you guys manage to get the procc to be good. For me the tentacle is barely doing 2% out of all my damage per fight when I
tried it. Whats the secret?

Press more buttons? honestly 2% per fight you can get that by autoattacking

[Deleted]

Press more buttons? honestly 2% per fight you can get that by autoattacking

As its my OS I dare to say I pressed enough buttons since I held my ground extremely well against the regular dps. I even came in second on our Morchock HC kill (:

[Adhal-Blackrock]

As its my OS I dare to say I pressed enough buttons since I held my ground extremely well against the regular dps. I even came in second on our Morchock HC kill (:

Your doing something wrong, tentacles are anywhere from 8-18% of damage depending on luck

[rezoacken]

Heroic Slicer vs LFR gurthalak ? how far are they appart

[Simca]

Heroic Slicer vs LFR gurthalak ? how far are they appart

Very far apart.

Heroic Slicer is significantly better and also much more consistent.

[Kinmaul]

Very far apart.

Heroic Slicer is significantly better and also much more consistent.

This is flat out wrong. Either your numbers are off or you didn't do any calculations and are simply trying to eyeball the Slicer's stats vs Gurthalak's proc. The proc alone is worth 5-8k dps depending on how lucky you get which easily trumps the better weapon damage and stats of the Slicer. You can check the numbers on EJ if you don't believe me. Here is a quote from the thread:

There is no further testing necessary on LFG or Normal Gurthalak. Repeat, no further testing necessary. It is hands down our best in slot weapon by an obscene amount. Even the LFG version beats other Heroic Dragon Soul weaponry.

[Adhal-Blackrock]

^ what Kinmaul said.

Honestly they should just make this sword a legendary cause its that good.

[Deleted]

Well if the LFR version is that godlike I'm expecting some nerfs in the near future.... /jk I hope not, my paladin alt neeeeeeds it xD

[Deleted]

Very far apart.

Heroic Slicer is significantly better and also much more consistent.

i am much more likely to folow this than the fact that a lfr weapon is beter the non-tentacle gain and reliablilty to burrst when you actualy need to burst and not have 3 tentacles up during a slow dps phase ( kiling bloods waiting for that 9th to spawn)

i would take reliablilty and damg when i want it over rng tentacles when it's heroic vs lfr.

that said i have normal version so i will be using it until heroic tentacle as it's my Of-spec

[Slickx]

Very far apart.

Heroic Slicer is significantly better and also much more consistent.

Yeah..... no.

[Phantoms]

i am much more likely to folow this than the fact that a lfr weapon is beter the non-tentacle gain and reliablilty to burrst when you actualy need to burst and not have 3 tentacles up during a slow dps phase ( kiling bloods waiting for that 9th to spawn)

i would take reliablilty and damg when i want it over rng tentacles when it's heroic vs lfr.

that said i have normal version so i will be using it until heroic tentacle as it's my Of-spec

You wouldn't attack enough to warrant 3 tentacles during that sort of a slow dps phase anyway, save for miracles performed by the RNG gods.

But even in the case of necessary burst like on Spine to burn the tendon and perhaps Hagara during Focused Assault, those are the only times your idea of "reliability" is needed.

If somebody thinks they have more consistent burst during these short, short phases by using a weapon with stats on it rather than the tentacle proc, then they can whip up macros for it and swap weapons during these phases, and switch the weapon back to Gurthalak for the tentacles during the rest of the fight.