LFR is great for everyone.

[Elrina]

I was one of the first people to be skeptical of the LFR system and what it would do to raiding prestige.

Sometimes I forget that 90% of the playerbase don't have the time to commit to raiding. I found out on friday night at a friends house that his brother with down syndrome did lfr and loved it. It brought a lot of smiles and laughter and he was so excited that he showed my friend the demise of Deathwing.

Ifr really does give players at all levels the oppertunity to see all the content in the game and blizzard should be praised for this feature. Hardcore raiders still get the harder content and still get to epeen with titles until the heroic content is cleared by the rest of the playerbase an expansion later.

[holycrapfour]

his brother with down syndrome did lfr

cant help but think this makes the haters point.....

[Deleted]

cant help but think this makes the haters point.....

The haters don't have any points worth taking note of, just a bunch of childish incessent whining about "bads" and "scrubs". Although glouriously entertaining, it doesn't have much merit.

[Bellabel]

LFR is great, people get to see their toon progress in a raid. It allows people to see content and feel like part of the game. A+ Blizzard.

[Feralia]

I agree the LFR idea was fantastic.

But the things that really the downfall of the LFR finder, is that it breeds lazy players and greedy players.

Have been in many raids, where a player simply afks for all the trash, and even some of them afk during boss fights, ten conviently come back to roll on loot.
Or you get the players who simply go there to need on all the items to make quick and easy gold, saying that the loot in LFR is useless and no one needs the gear so why not make gold. Very non team player like.

So in that sense, the LFR has failed. Really the LFR is only really good for is seeing content. if you get lucky and score loot, you get lucky, but considering how many poor team players there are out there in those LFR groups, there is no point in hoping to get loot if your one of the unlucky rollers like me lol.

Its just a shame players abuse this system, and hopefully blizz can do something about it. Even maybe extending the class only items (like the weapons off Deathwing) to all the other armour in the LFR finder would make a huge difference.

[Un0]

LFR is not so great when you lose every single item you need and roll for, for 2 weeks straight on 3 different characters....

[Pocketzest]

LFR is not so great when you lose every single item you need and roll for, for 2 weeks straight on 3 different characters....

Lfr is for seeing content, not getting loot.

[Deleted]

Stories like this actually make up for all the lost rolls... Its amazing hearing that someone with a disability had a great time!

[Dravan]

I think it's complicated. I did a LFR the other day and was struck at how boring it is. For me raiding was always about the challenge, whereas LFR is 25 people hitting a boss until it dies. There are mechanics but most are ignored.

I agree it is great that some people who otherwise couldn't access raid content get to see it, however I think it further discourages people from having any loyalty to their guilds (especially 25 man) and taking on the real challenges. For me tough raiding is what WoW endgame is all about, it's kinda sad if people only do LFR and think that is what raiding is.

As time goes on over the years, raids are being scaled down more and more and the old feelings of being part of a large group of people who raid to beat challenging content seems to be going. First it was 40 down to 25 (not a bad move at all) and now its edging ever closer to 10 man raiding with only a handful of 25 man raiding guilds per realm. It was already hard to recruit for 25 man and I feel that LFR will not make it any easier as more people feel they can just see the content through that.

So to sum up, I am not sure if I am for or against LFR, I am just not sure what impact it was have on raiding. Look at how much damage the dungeon finder has done to that sense of server community and players feeling the need to act with dignity in groups.

[Corysi]

LFR just lowers the bar and the people it's designed for still complain that they can't down reg modes in pugs/with their guild.

[avengingbt]

I really do like LFR, I think it's great that I can grab a character any time I want and jump in to a raid.

The thing that bothers me is that on my main character, which is currently progressing on heroic dragon soul, I have to rely on running LFR every single week. It's a complete lottery for the trinkets. It's frustrating, and I seem to remember blizzard saying that they didn't want this to happen. They removed seperate 10 and 25man lockouts so that we didn't have to farm two raids, but now they've brought it back in the form of the luck based crapshoot that is the LFR loot system. It's frustrating as hell.

[pickley]

I love the LFR. I prefer to see the content over getting loot. If I decide to continue onto normal/hard modes, wiping wont feel so bad because I know ive already killed the boss in some way before.

[Maldread]

no, bro, lfr is great for your friend's brother with down syndrome. tip o' the hat to him. but really, no achievement should be given, no loot should be passed out. if its about 'seeing the content' then great, see it, love it, hate it, w/e. but leave it at that.

lfr is terrible for the community. i dont mean every1 hates lfr, i mean on the whole the 'community feel' will suffer just as much as it did from raid finder and the queueing for dungeons system. spamming trade was sweet when i was the most geared/skilled mage on the server, who WOULDNT want me to dps for them? now my old friends still know i am capable, but ive met few new friends. to be sure theres probably one random person added to realID once a month, but otherwise i meet friends of my friends or i dont meet people. thats it.

[Mudkiper]

Blizzard seem to just encourage people to be bad at their game, instead of implementing resources to teach them their class better. I guarantee that 90% of the people on LFR who do sub 20k dps could be at a decent level attempting hardmodes if they knew about websites such as EJ, had decent addons and a good UI. Wow isn't a hard game even at the top level, it just requires a bit of knowledge. The game should be about accomplishing things and feeling proud about it, theres no accomplishment for the majority of people completing LFR - the difficulty level is really just too low / not challenging at all. E.g. being able to completely ignore mechanics such as not even killing oozes on Yor'sahj.

[CrusaderNerò87]

The system blizzard is making will eventually be great. Right now it's a bit wierd, but it's starting to make sense. When you look at it, we got a easy mode, normal mode and a hard mode right now in the game.

That means there is something for everyone, just like in many, many games out there. You want easy, easy is there for you. You want a OK challenge but dont want to face endless wipes/much planning and what not? Content is there for you. You want hard content that tests both you and your raid? Content is there for you.

Only problem right now for Blizzard is to balance this whole system. Normal mode seems kinda to easy right now, wich I find wierd when we have LFR..

[Dravan]

otherwise i meet friends of my friends or i dont meet people. thats it.

This. I know that Dungeon Finder came out long ago and did the damage it did. I just fear LFR will take it one step further. It's very sad that the biggest MMO around has so little real community left on its servers, except for the long standing groups. But even those suffer.

I guess when people talk about Vanilla and TBC and how great it was, they think it was because of the dungeons or raids. In fact I would argue that Cata has had the best encounters ever seen in WoW. The game has just lost a lot of its feeling and become very shallow. I don't think it will ever recover.

[Mudkiper]

That means there is something for everyone, just like in many, many games out there. You want easy, easy is there for you.

Yes but blizzard should be actively encouraging players to try harder content and learn their class better, it's not like the content isn't available, they just need pointed in the right direction.

[Mammoon]

LFR is a great tool for non-raiders or extreme casuals to get to see all the content...

However, it does not by any means encourage people to learn the best way to play their class and most of the raid mechanics...

There are obviously pros and cons to it.
From a financial perspective, it was a great move by Blizzard...
Unless you have 24 other guildies to run LFR with, the loot system is horrible.


Also, if LFR was designed for people to see the content, then why does it drop loot at all?
After all, like 95% of the complaints about LFR have been about loot...

[Dravan]

Arguing it shouldn't drop loot is silly. Think about it, if it didn't drop loot people would only do it once on a single character to see the content. Then never return. Then no one would be using the tool and those who wanted to see the content once wouldn't be able to find a group. Loot unfortunately has to be there.

[Tradu]

Lfr is for seeing content, not getting loot.

Depends on who you are. If you're a progression oriented raider, its just an additional chance for loot. If you're a hardcore raider, its also just more loot, and easier gearing up alts. If you don't care about "real" raiding, its to get loot and whine that it isn't as good as the stuff other people are getting, and for seeing the content.

OT: I like the LFR as well, even though its way too easy for me personally. I think its great that people with less time get to see the content as well. Now if they'd stop crying about not getting good loot, that'd be even better.