Saved to loot when encounter starts in LFR

[Gillie]

I posted this today on the official WoW forums
I am just looking to see what other people think about this, not looking for sympathy or anything just discussion about
how this loot system works

Today i was in the LFR we killed Warmaster and I had a realm reset warning pop.
I was trying to get a piece of loot from another hunter (seeing as he won the tier helm, but already had it)
Before he could trade the item to me and I could leave to wait for the realm to reset, someone started the Spine of Deathwing encounter.
I still leave because there is no time for me to finish the fight before my realm resets.
However, when I come back online the LFR toolbox says I am unable to loot Spine of Deathwing this week.
I haven't looted it yet this week?!
I opened a ticket, I was online, the GM didn't even take the time to talk to me. Received an automated message pretty much saying too bad, the encounter starts and you are in the group still, you get saved to the loot. Why? Does it say that in the patch notes? How am I suppose to know this, AND why would you do that Blizz? With how gun ho so many people are in LFR there is rarely time to leave before the next encounter starts ( granted the ones with trash have time, but once you get into Warmaster, spine, and madness there is no trash)
I understand losing loot, thats fair. BUT not being able to even roll on the loot because of some impatient person in LFR is beyond annoying and is not my fault or anyone else's (except the 'hurry lets go person'). This is yet another thing that needs fixed loot wise in the LFR

edit: the realm reset popped during the warmaster encounter

[Schmeebs]

The reason for getting saved to loot as soon as the boss is pulled is because of high end guilds exploiting the system.

[Oltanya]

Seeing as the encounter doesn't exactly have a high DPS requirement, being LFR, next time try and get your trade done while in combat. That's about the best you'll get.

[Deleted]

If you leave during an encounter which turns out to be a kill, you are indeed loot-saved for that encounter.
Same thing happened to me few weeks back while I was doing Hagara and I had to leave mid fight.

[Khalador]

I don't believe a GM can flip a switch to let you re-loot a boss anyway. I think you would have a better argument if you had stuck out the fight and waited to be removed from the group because of a disconnect because of a realm restart. The game files will show you left the group voluntarily and weren't forced out (whether is was inevitable or not is moot).

[underdogba]

The reason for getting saved to loot as soon as the boss is pulled is because of high end guilds exploiting the system.

Basically instead of fixing the problem by requiring a toon to be present when a corpse is looted to be eligible to receive loot via trade, Blizz went and chose the most disruptive possible workaround to people not actually trying to exploit anything.

[Gillie]

Seeing as the encounter doesn't exactly have a high DPS requirement, being LFR, next time try and get your trade done while in combat. That's about the best you'll get.

I had to do the trade while in combat, where did this dps req come from? I am sorry your post confuses me
I traded the item (the helm from warmaster) during the spine encounter since I couldnt get it done before someone started it, but I then left and was saved to Spine even though I was not there to roll on loot
I think you only read the last few lines of my post

---------- Post added 2012-01-10 at 07:59 PM ----------

I don't believe a GM can flip a switch to let you re-loot a boss anyway. I think you would have a better argument if you had stuck out the fight and waited to be removed from the group because of a disconnect because of a realm restart. The game files will show you left the group voluntarily and weren't forced out (whether is was inevitable or not is moot).

Actually this happened to me the 2nd week LFR was out, I received the same 'too bad, sucks to be you' message from the GM

[Divinedoom]

If you were in combat with Spine and they downed it you will be saved to the loot because of the simple fact that participating in an encounter makes you elligable for loot. It has nothing to do with LFR, it's the same thing that causes you to be able to give loot to a raid member who dc'ed and wasn't there when the boss went down, but did participate in the fight.

It is how the system has worked atleast since wrath. The implication for this with LFR is that because you are only elligable for loot once a week that if you're in combat with a boss, leave or dc, and the boss gets downed that attempt you get locked out for the loot.

It is very unfortunate that you get locked out of the loot because of the realm restart. But the reason it behaves this way was actually put in place to not screw people out of loot who dc'd/crashed and get saved to a boss in a normal/heroic raid ID.

Edit: to give an example, the oher week we were doing Madness on alts. We had a main lock there who missed the main run, he dc'ed about alfway into the fight. Took him a minute or 2 to get back in and he was in Shat (his hs is there). We continued to down the fight anyway while he was outside the instance, we were able to summon him in after the encounter was over and could ML the caster dagger to him. It is ment as a backup for loot issues in raids, but works out a bit odd with the rule set of LFR.

[Gillie]

If you were in combat with Spine and they downed it you will be saved to the loot because of the simple fact that participating in an encounter makes you elligable for loot. It has nothing to do with LFR, it's the same thing that causes you to be able to give loot to a raid member who dc'ed and wasn't there when the boss went down, but did participate in the fight.

It is how the system has worked atleast since wrath. The implication for this with LFR is that because you are only elligable for loot once a week that if you're in combat with a boss, leave or dc, and the boss gets downed that attempt you get locked out for the loot.

It is very unfortunate that you get locked out of the loot because of the realm restart. But the reason it behaves this way was actually put in place to not screw people out of loot who dc'd/crashed and get saved to a boss in a normal/heroic raid ID.

I am almost 100% that if you leave a party/raid on normal or heroic before the boss is downed you dont get the rewards and you arent saved to that boss then
edit: granted you leave before its downed..obviously if you are still in the group when its downed even if you are offline you'll be saved

[Corysi]

I don't believe a GM can flip a switch to let you re-loot a boss anyway. I think you would have a better argument if you had stuck out the fight and waited to be removed from the group because of a disconnect because of a realm restart. The game files will show you left the group voluntarily and weren't forced out (whether is was inevitable or not is moot).

You would be surprised what GMs in any game are actually capable of, but their standard operating procedure is typically to deny/not acknowledge the ability to do most things outside of simple, common issues.

[Schmeebs]

I am almost 100% that if you leave a party/raid on normal or heroic before the boss is downed you dont get the rewards and you arent saved to that boss then
edit: granted you leave before its downed..obviously if you are still in the group when its downed even if you are offline you'll be saved

Nope. If you are in combat with the boss, you are saved tot he boss if its killed that attempt.

[Gillie]

You would be surprised what GMs in any game are actually capable of, but their standard operating procedure is typically to deny/not acknowledge the ability to do most things outside of simple, common issues.

I just love your sig...aoe looting would be awesome

---------- Post added 2012-01-10 at 08:34 PM ----------

Nope. If you are in combat with the boss, you are saved tot he boss if its killed that attempt.

Than I am wrong,
I guess I just find it idiotic for that to be the case in LFR..my opinion

[jsz]

I had to do the trade while in combat, where did this dps req come from? I am sorry your post confuses me
I traded the item (the helm from warmaster) during the spine encounter since I couldnt get it done before someone started it, but I then left and was saved to Spine even though I was not there to roll on loot
I think you only read the last few lines of my post

---------- Post added 2012-01-10 at 07:59 PM ----------



Actually this happened to me the 2nd week LFR was out, I received the same 'too bad, sucks to be you' message from the GM

It sounds to me like you need to nut up and stop leaving LFR before it's over.

[Aquamonkey]

If you were in combat with Spine and they downed it you will be saved to the loot because of the simple fact that participating in an encounter makes you elligable for loot. It has nothing to do with LFR, it's the same thing that causes you to be able to give loot to a raid member who dc'ed and wasn't there when the boss went down, but did participate in the fight.

It is how the system has worked atleast since wrath. The implication for this with LFR is that because you are only elligable for loot once a week that if you're in combat with a boss, leave or dc, and the boss gets downed that attempt you get locked out for the loot.

It is very unfortunate that you get locked out of the loot because of the realm restart. But the reason it behaves this way was actually put in place to not screw people out of loot who dc'd/crashed and get saved to a boss in a normal/heroic raid ID.

Edit: to give an example, the oher week we were doing Madness on alts. We had a main lock there who missed the main run, he dc'ed about alfway into the fight. Took him a minute or 2 to get back in and he was in Shat (his hs is there). We continued to down the fight anyway while he was outside the instance, we were able to summon him in after the encounter was over and could ML the caster dagger to him. It is ment as a backup for loot issues in raids, but works out a bit odd with the rule set of LFR.

It was fixed like this in TBC. In addition to fixing DC's, it was also to address people who released during the encounter. Before, if you released during a boss and the people still alive killed it you wouldn't be able to get loot.

[Gillie]

It sounds to me like you need to nut up and stop leaving LFR before it's over.

It seems to me you should read a post before posting..I left due to a realm reset. Not because anything was wrong with my nuts

[Corysi]

You could always submit another ticket and hope for a better GM.

[Gillie]

You could always submit another ticket and hope for a better GM.

I did 2 more times, all 3 times I received the same automated message

[Corysi]

Whenever I submit tickets getting automated responses, I do "Need more help" or create a new ticket and be more vague with the issue. Failing that, calling customer service and asking for a supervisor works very well in some cases. Be angry and firm, but not disrespectful and you'll typically get a supervisor quickly.

[Henline]

I did 2 more times, all 3 times I received the same automated message

What a waste of time when you could have easily found the answer to your problem by using the search function on any WoW forum. I've seen it mentioned in at least 3 different threads in the past week on MMOC alone.

Whenever I submit tickets getting automated responses, I do "Need more help" or create a new ticket and be more vague with the issue. Failing that, calling customer service and asking for a supervisor works very well in some cases. Be angry and firm, but not disrespectful and you'll typically get a supervisor quickly.

Getting a supervisor who will tell you the same thing as everyone else is only a waste of their time, along with anyone who has an actual issue that requires a supervisor's attention. Just because you aren't satisfied with an answer doesn't mean you should pester them further about something that has been answered time and time again.

They can't unlock a boss kill for you and no matter how many tickets you file or how many times you call Blizzard they won't "fix" it for you. The only thing you can do is hope the improved LFR system gets finished sooner rather than later and includes a fix to this issue since it's one of many they aware of. In the meantime, suck it up and go again next week.

[Corysi]

What a waste of time when you could have easily found the answer to your problem by using the search function on any WoW forum. I've seen it mentioned in at least 3 different threads in the past week on MMOC alone.


Getting a supervisor who will tell you the same thing as everyone else is only a waste of their time, along with anyone who has an actual issue that requires a supervisor's attention. Just because you aren't satisfied with an answer doesn't mean you should pester them further about something that has been answered time and time again.

They can't unlock a boss kill for you and no matter how many tickets you file or how many times you call Blizzard they won't "fix" it for you. The only thing you can do is hope the improved LFR system gets finished sooner rather than later and includes a fix to this issue since it's one of many they aware of. In the meantime, suck it up and go again next week.

I've gotten out of two permanent bans, two hackings pre authenticator and numerous other issues by requesting a Senior GM and/or calling customer service and requesting a supervisor. Out of all the times I've done this about things I've TRULY cared about (aka everything that wasn't reporting someone for something dumb), I have always come out the winner in this little battle with customer service. Your mileage may vary, but I've never been disappointed with this tactic.

Edit: Oh and it isn't a waste of time since it usually works. The waste of time is the GM who automates a response and ignores the issue. The first time I was banned was a HUGE ordeal and I eventually got the one GM fired. (I'm assuming, I was contacted a couple times via email and phone calls due to his behavior and I had to clarify statements and such.)