Sure ppl can keep playign GW2 , but it doesn mean they will stay in WoW .
There are other games with subs , inc in 2012 , which can play along with GW2
Sure ppl can keep playign GW2 , but it doesn mean they will stay in WoW .
There are other games with subs , inc in 2012 , which can play along with GW2
Last edited by mmocbeb563a6f8; 2012-01-13 at 10:00 AM.
Looks good.
I won't have that much time in the future anymore for games, so I'll play the single player games I really like to play. I won't have time anymore then to also play WoW and GW2, so I'll play the, in my opinion, superior one.
What I definitely see happen is that lots of players will just raid on WoW, or do their arena matches and then, for the rest, play other stuff like GW2, SWTOR, etc... For, what I think, that's all you can do in WoW these days. I'm not sure that's such a good thing for Blizzard.
Last edited by mmoccf2a3d971d; 2012-01-13 at 11:17 AM.
Well TBH I wont be playing WoW when GW2 will be out, so I wont be paying Blizz... .
Thus WoW loses a subscriber.
GW2 is not a PvP based game nor is it F2P. And yes, GW1 is COMPLETELY different from GW2, have you seen/read all the info and videos?.. And GW2 may not have subscribers, but you'll have several expansions and new content instead of the mandatory $15/month. And who cares if GW2 will or won't ''dethrone'' WoW anyway.. But it is still possible: people play GW2, people stop playing WoW. WoW loses subscribers, GW2 gains players who buy expansion/cosmetic stuff in store.
Note: I'm not raging while writing this, just saying.
I say see it, GW2 is meant to do everything better than WoW for much less money. They are not meant to co-exist.
A whole lot of bias in here.
On the MoP thing. It isn't predicted to be shit since it isn't even in Beta yet. And more people like it than dislike so that point is irrelevent. WoW is losing subscribers not because it is dying or dead, or has been "dethroned" but because that's what happens when new games in the same market are advertised. I personally still think WoW is better than any other MMO because I judge an MMO based on its level of content, which Blizzard are pretty much Gods at doing. I went and tried Aion, Rift and SWTOR for several reasons. The first being to see what the hype was about to be always disappointed, the second being that I tend to always burn myself out on WoW because I would play it extensively in a short period of time, and I don't have a lot of "gameplay stamina" so I look to other mmos to entertain myself while that burnout goes away (it always does) in this case, I am waiting specifically for MoP because it looks amazing to me, but don't want to be burnout on release like I was with Cataclysm.
People want to try different things. When doesn't an MMO's subscribers fluctuate? SWTOR's subscribers will also decrease a bit because of GW2, and so will Rifts, and Aions. Perhaps GW2 players won't be as high as they could if SWTOR becomes successful.
WoW's main loss of subscribers was due to China, not because it is failing, or dying. Note that I said the main loss, not the only loss. But of course this is only what Blizzard reported to Activision. Everyone knows a Corporation never tells the truth when reporting a loss amirite? :P
Considering the trend of failed attempts to dethrone WoW with overhyped games before release, if the trend remains consistent, as it has, then GW2 will not dethrone WoW, and will be another *insert MMO here released in the lifetime of WoW*. People will like the game of course and people will dislike it. Just look at SWTOR. People say it's amazing while others say it is crap (those who are playing it) GW2 will have the same people. A percent of its playerbase will be in AWE while another percent will be disappointed.
Don't judge a game till it is in deep beta. Whether it be an expansion like MoP or GW2. If you are saying something will fail before it is even playable, then your position is foundationless.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequetly explained by stupidity." - Robert J. Hanlon (otherwise known as Hanlon's Law)
You know why they fail? Because they copy wow in a lot of things and people have a lot of time invested in wow so to change just for a little more graphics or just a few more mechanics and leave all the work they had in wow, for years, behide they just don't do.
Now, that's where GW2 is different, it's the first big try from a new MMO to be original. Not saying it will kill wow but the chances are way higher than the other MMOs that people called wow killers.
I agree with the OP. They are two different games with two different goals.
Many people will only subscribe to one MMO. If there's no subs, there's no reason not to try it out. GW2 is like any other game in that respect, and the thought of running around playing a game that's a little bit like WoW, with more emphasis on fun, and less on holding your nose and getting stuff done in the most boring (but fastest) way possible, appeals to me.
It appeals a lot more than Military Shooter 2012 anyway...
It's going to be very interesting. I think GW2 will become the new #1, and perhaps fairly quickly. What we will find out then is just how powerful the social aspect of these games is. If all (or even most) of your friends are playing GW2 and never bother to play WoW anymore, how long will you keep playing?. And just how fast will that domino effect dry up the servers, and how small will the eventual never-gonna-give-up-my-pally population be? But I guess those numbers are easy enough to predict based on EQ's numbers over time.
Last edited by semantic; 2012-01-13 at 02:49 PM.
The problem with WoW, is that its hard to justify the subscription cost at the moment. $14.99 or $12.99 a month, for content releases every 4-6 months? On a very dated graphics engine, and with alot less effort and maturity put into the content and lore than other products now available.
GW2 might be good enough to supplant double games. I know I won't be paying for a subscription to something else, when I could be playing something for free.
The cancellation of the Scroll of Resurrection speaks to the state of WoW at the moment.
if you were a Firelands-geared player -- even just JP/VP gear + molten front dailies gear -- you could reactivate, grind the new 5 man heroics 10-15 times and get fully 378 geared. Then, a quick hit of the LFR and if you get a decent group...you clear deathwing. All in a week.
Darkmoon Faire is nice, but its a social thing...not worth maintaining a subscription for. 1 week is all it takes to get from 4.2 -> 4.3 cleared content.
and is exactly what happend to me when i returned for 4.3...
This is one of the main problems for me. The lack of a real challenge in standard gameplay. I can't hardcore raid anymore...but the general game is a cakewalk.
I always know that, once I start messing around with silly things like cheats and generally creating ridiculous scenarious...that a game is basically done with.
This basically comes from knowing that the real challenging content is gone. Wow is, and has been for a while, in this state for me personally.
The way I see it:
GW2 for PvP.
WoW for pokemon battles and casual raiding.
Sure they can co-exist together, but paying for WoW isn't wise when you can have something so much better for (almost) free.
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I'm an annual pass subscriber, with a smidge of buyer's remorse. I get a free mount for all my characters, i get to play whenever i want for the next year... i get Diablo 3 for free (which i would have bought). And I will get to poke around MoP in beta. MoP Beta will be the make/break for me -- it needs to be fantastic, otherwise I'll be uninstalling WoW for the first time in 7 years and never looking back.
As it stands, I last logged in for Christmas and that was it. I leveled a hunter from 80->85, and had him fully 378 equipped in about 40 hours of play. :/
first of all because i may like pizza better and your comparison is less than bad because GW2 isnt F2P, its B2P...what would be better: i pay 5$ to be allowed to enter a flatrate and pay 10$ a month to be able to eat as much pizza as i want, but there's also a guy that sells taco flatrates for 5$ once and u can eat tacos until you die...why not pay for both? i get sick of one of the other when i eat too much of it and i like pizza AND taco...
i'm actually playing swtor right now, but i also have an active wow account for casual raiding and casual pvp
Last edited by Sundreamer; 2012-01-13 at 03:34 PM.
Sigh of course people have already decided before they even play the game. If you don't like GW2 will you still play it just because its free? No probably not. It will have to be better then WoW for many many people to completely give up WoW. Otherwise we're just going to play both because WoW is good enough to pay for and GW2 is potentially good enough to steal some of our time. In which case the OP is right the games could live side by side. On the off chance that GW2 is absolutely amazing, which lets face it just isn't the case for most mmo's competing against such a Titan that is WoW, then yes WoW could suffer, as unlikely as that is.