One world government

[Clevername]

Yeeeah...that's really easy to do in the city, right? And I mean, the fish caught in the stream up near the chemical plant is so TASTY! -and the kids can play with the fun, glow-in-the-dark bones afterwards...

Long story short: Growing your own food is fine, if you live where you can do so, and have the right know-how. If not...it's not.

Agreed but I was making a case about the lazy assholes where I live not the poor of the world. In addition, it's really simple to grow your own stuff many veggies can actually be grown indoors.

[Deleted]

Well, I'm telling you that what you've read is wrong.

I can go to McDonald's right now and spend $1.39 on a McDouble. (In the US, I understand they are 99 cents?)
I can't make a hamburger for $1.39.

I can go to the grocery store, and buy a Hungry Man for $2. That's a 454g frozen dinner. I can't reproduce it for that cost.

I can buy a can of corn for 60 some-odd cents. I can't get fresh corn in the middle of the winter. In the summer, I'm paying $1.25+ an ear, and there are about 2 ears of corn in a can.

These are real life examples, coming from a real person living here. And anyone else who lives here can confirm this, too.
I'm sorry, but I would burn whatever book you read that nonsense in.

You're doing a faulty comparison. I don't need to be able to make a hamburger for $1.39. I need to be able to create a nutritious meal for $1.39/portion. I can do it much cheaper than that. It may not taste as good as a McDouble, but it sure is much healthier and nutritious.

Furthermore, when you prepare food for yourself the ingredients are never going to be in the perfect proportional size packages to create one meal. You create higher volume and thus get the price lower. If you're a family this becomes significantly easier.

Edit: Just searched McDouble. It's a fucking pathetic little burger. Seriously if you think a McDouble is cheap food, you've obviously never lived on a tight student budget.

[Atrea]

Wrong, my parents raise their own chicken, grow their own vegetables. I catch shitloads of fish and grow my own vegetables it's much cheaper than a 6 dollar 'value meal' 3 times a day.

Yes I have met them actually I grew up in a shitty little rural town in South Carolina. I grew up in poor neighborhood and had government housing 1 block over from my house. Most of the friends from the neighborhood I grew up with had parents on welfare. Their parents smoked, drank, ate shitty food, blew their money on poker machines and basically were horrible parents... no wonder my friends liked to come over and play at my house. I lived there because I was the child of a single mother who could only afford a house in the shitty side of town.

Well now, I'm just going to come out and say it.

You're lying.

As per your gun argument you cannucks have more guns per capita than we do so....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._gun_ownership

lol nope

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You're doing a faulty comparison. I don't need to be able to make a hamburger for $1.39. I need to be able to create a nutritious meal for $1.39/portion. I can do it much cheaper than that. It may not taste as good as a McDouble, but it sure is much healthier and nutritious.

Furthermore, when you prepare food for yourself the ingredients are never going to be in the perfect proportional size packages to create one meal. You create higher volume and thus get the price lower. If you're a family this becomes significantly easier.

Edit: Just searched McDouble. It's a fucking pathetic little burger. Seriously if you think a McDouble is cheap food, you've obviously never lived on a tight budget.

I'm happy that you can make a 'nutritious meal' for $1.39/portion.
However, we can't.
The best I can do - as a skilled and trained chef - is use processed/frozen ingredients to make something palatable. However, that's the root of my argument; fresh food is NOT cheaper here. It simply is not.
I do the ordering for my restaurant. I buy wholesale fruits and vegetables. I know what they cost. And I'm telling you that they are not cheaper.

What do you want me to say, that your country is better than mine or something? Will that satisfy you?

[Zecora]

You're doing a faulty comparison. I don't need to be able to make a hamburger for $1.39. I need to be able to create a nutritious meal for $1.39/portion. It may not taste as good, but it sure is much healthier and nutritious.

Furthermore, when you prepare food for yourself the ingredients are never going to be in the perfect proportional size packages to create one meal. You create higher volume and thus get the price lower. If you're a family this becomes significantly easier.

*sigh* seriously...to do that you have to have excess money to buy sufficient amounts of ingredients for the burgers to be cheaper than the pre-processed ones. If you are poor, you need every cent you have, you buy the food you need there and then, because if you buy more, you might be spending money you need tomorrow, to pay for the car that just broke down, the one you'll lose your job without.

Planning ahead demands a surplus you can invest. If you are poor, you won't have a surplus to buy enough ingredients to make each burger cheaper. You will be forced to buy the cheapest alternative.

[Kalyyn]

Well now, I'm just going to come out and say it.

You're lying.

I heard single mothers don't exist?

[Deleted]

*sigh* seriously...to do that you have to have excess money to buy sufficient amounts of ingredients for the burgers to be cheaper than the pre-processed ones. If you are poor, you need every cent you have, you buy the food you need there and then, because if you buy more, you might be spending money you need tomorrow, to pay for the car that just broke down, the one you'll lose your job without.

Planning ahead demands a surplus you can invest. If you are poor, you won't have a surplus to buy enough ingredients to make each burger cheaper. You will be forced to buy the cheapest alternative.

No one is talking about making burgers.

And the poor in the US most certainly have access to temporary surpluses of $3-5.

There are alot of problems the poor can blame on poverty. Obesity is not one of them.

What do you want me to say, that your country is better than mine or something? Will that satisfy you?

I want you to admit that you can cook soup for under $3 for 5 portions, which brings the total cost per portion significantly under a dollar.

[Clevername]

Well now, I'm just going to come out and say it.

You're lying.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._gun_ownership

lol nope

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I'm happy that you can make a 'nutritious meal' for $1.39/portion.
However, we can't.
The best I can do - as a skilled and trained chef - is use processed/frozen ingredients to make something palatable. However, that's the root of my argument; fresh food is NOT cheaper here. It simply is not.
I do the ordering for my restaurant. I buy wholesale fruits and vegetables. I know what they cost. And I'm telling you that they are not cheaper.

What do you want me to say, that your country is better than mine or something? Will that satisfy you?

Ok asshole my mother married my stepfather steve when I was 14. I was raised by my grand mother and great grandmother in Laurens SC, my mother worked in Maryland and commuted to DC to work as a legal secretary. She sent money to my grandmother and great grandmother to raise me, my mother purchased a home that myself my grandmother and great grandmother lived in. I lived with my grandmother and great grandmother until I was 17 when my mother decided to move down to SC to live with us and brought my step father steve with her. Since steve is the only father figure I know and a hell of a guy I do consider him my parent... so you condescending twat my parents raise chickens.

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[inux94]

Why are you so greedy? All men should be treated the same and all have the same.

That's how most people are, unfortunately.

[Atrea]

There's no need to resort to namecalling. I haven't called you any names, and it's not appropriate for you to lash out at me like that.

You tell two conflicting stories, and they don't add up. Even now they don't.
I also couldn't help but notice that you conveniently forgot to address the fact that Canada does not, in fact, have more guns per capita than the United States, contrary to your contention.

And much like your made up statistic, I think you're just making up stories to try and make a point.

[Zecora]

No one is talking about making burgers.

And the poor in the US most certainly have access to temporary surpluses of $3-5.

There are alot of problems the poor can blame on poverty. Obesity is not one of them.

Burgers or any other food.

You're refering to temporary surpluses. The thing is, you can't expect that that is a true surplus, you have to expect that surplus to be needed tomorrow, so you can't invest that in healthier food. The other side is the need to travel to get ahold of fresh produce. Travel means using money, on gas or public transport. Travelling like that adds up...and if you buy processed products, they'll keep so that you won't have to constantly travel to the store.

In addition, you have been informed, by people who actually LIVE there, that processed food is cheaper than fresh. Why do you refuse to believe that? Because that's not the case in Finland? -Here's news: different countries have different pricing (not that I'm surprised that a country with proper healthcare and a government that looks after the inhabitants would also have a much better pricing of cheap versus healthy food).


But hey, since you claim obesity can't be blamed on being poor...how do YOU explain the high correlation between low income and obesity?

[Zarasthura]

Why do people fear this so much?

I know its a conspiracy so to speak. But shouldn't the world be uniting not forcing itself apart. Scotland wanting independance is completely stupid and is going back not forward.

What are your thoughts?

Take a look at the EU and you'll see why. Even though the EU is just a union of countries, people still cannot get along with each other due to huge cultural and economical differences.

It's not hard to imagine what would happen if a "one world government" was forced on these various groups

[Clevername]

There's no need to resort to namecalling. I haven't called you any names, and it's not appropriate for you to lash out at me like that.

You tell two conflicting stories, and they don't add up. Even now they don't.
I also couldn't help but notice that you conveniently forgot to address the fact that Canada does not, in fact, have more guns per capita than the United States, contrary to your contention.

And much like your made up statistic, I think you're just making up stories to try and make a point.

Saying I lied hence implying I'm a liar might as well be name calling. I know I am not the only who has heard the figure tossed out that you canadians had more guns than us per capita and I will admit I was wrong on that one. You can believe all you want and I really don't care. I know what I grew up with and what I have witnessed and if you were not exposed to it and can't comprehend it that's not really my job to make you believe.

[skrump]

Why are you so greedy? All men should be treated the same and all have the same.

That is a highly flawed argument considering somebody needs to produce the goods that everybody wants yet they have no incentive to do so seeing as how they gain nothing from it.

If the Doctor isn't going to be anymore prosperous than the burger flipper why would he bother going to collage for 7+ years ?

[Atrea]

Saying I lied hence implying I'm a liar might as well be name calling. I know I am not the only who has heard the figure tossed out that you canadians had more guns than us per capita and I will admit I was wrong on that one. You can believe all you want and I really don't care.

Okay, well, let's talk about that.

You heard the figure tossed out - probably by someone who is pro-firearms, am I right?
But we know now that that isn't true. That the US has the most guns per capita of any country in the world - by a huge margin.

Is it not so hard to believe, then, that some of the other things that you are told - things that also revolve around hot button political issues - could also be untrue?

I'm not trying to change your mind; I'm trying to open it. Question EVERYTHING.

[Clevername]

Okay, well, let's talk about that.

You heard the figure tossed out - probably by someone who is pro-firearms, am I right?
But we know now that that isn't true. That the US has the most guns per capita of any country in the world - by a huge margin.

Is it not so hard to believe, then, that some of the other things that you are told - things that also revolve around hot button political issues - could also be untrue?

I'm not trying to change your mind; I'm trying to open it. Question EVERYTHING.

The only thing I'm questioning right now is why I've wasted roughly an hour of my life arguing with you.

And being wrong on a small fact that was a tangent to the original discussion does not invalidate my argument and validate yours.

[Clockworks]

Supermassive, powerful central governments break down the first time someone says "I don't care about those people over there." This is also why socialism / communism fails. They work only if everyone has empathy for everyone else. Society functions best in small communities, but it doesn't scale well because of the empathy problem.

I agree with this, and i really hope we won't have such government. In my opinion Sweden and many other lost freedom and it's balls with the EU.
this is going downhill, when you try to put same rules on diffrent cultures / people stuff crashes. It have already started! look at Grece and Ireland.
We even have leaders in the EU who is in power bragging about they being elected in secret, and those bastards shall rule us?


Check out Nigel Farage on youtube:


It is fun to check back later and knowing that he was right every time.

[Atrea]

That is a highly flawed argument considering somebody needs to produce the goods that everybody wants yet they have no incentive to do so seeing as how they gain nothing from it.

If the Doctor isn't going to be anymore prosperous than the burger flipper why would he bother going to collage for 7+ years ?

Ostensibly, it would be because they enjoy doing what they do.
Frankly, if you get into any career just for the money, you're going to hate your life.
If you do it because you enjoy doing it, because you feel you are making a difference in the world -- well, that's what I like to call 'fulfillment'.

Imagine no doors closed to you because of financial status. If you wanted to be a doctor, the only thing that would stop you is yourself.

You ask, why would anyone want to be a doctor if the burger flipper makes the same as him.
And I ask, why would anyone want to be a burger flipper when you could be a doctor?

[Yoshimiko]

Power Corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. An absolute government would be just as good as no government before someone fucks it up, which WILL happen. And there are literally no balances for this. Whoever the leader/s are, will do something unjust. Just look at any country, ever.

[Deleted]

You're refering to temporary surpluses.

You only need a temporary surplus. You get $5 => You buy ingedients and make food for the following 5 days. You get $5 => You spend $1 per day the following 5 days. (Numbers simplified to make the point clearer).

In addition, you have been informed, by people who actually LIVE there, that processed food is cheaper than fresh. Why do you refuse to believe that? Because that's not the case in Finland? -Here's news: different countries have different pricing (not that I'm surprised that a country with proper healthcare and a government that looks after the inhabitants would also have a much better pricing of cheap versus healthy food).

The ingredients to make proper food are atleast not more expensive than in Finland. Most likely it's much cheaper in the US. I'm sure junk food is cheaper in the US (I Know they subsidise junk food production pretty significantly over there, another sign of central planning failure). The thing is that creating proper food in higher volumes is still cheaper than junk. The nutritions healthier food is so cheap that everyone in the US can afford it.

But hey, since you claim obesity can't be blamed on being poor...how do YOU explain the high correlation between low income and obesity?

Culture.

[Pony Soldier]

I would totally love a one world government but seeing how most people of Earth have to be greedy, over-religious, selfish and just plain ignorant idiots i would never want it, it would just end up in endless chaos. Too many different opinions on things which lead to arguments and possibly fights, too many different religions, and too much ignorance. We can hardly even handle our own country, there's no way we would all live peacefully under a world government. Also it depends on the person leading us he could either be a good leader or a corrupt leader who only cares for himself and his own greed.