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    Quote Originally Posted by ptwonline View Post
    Actually, I 100% encourage people to investigate the numbers and learn how they are calculated and what they actually mean. The more educated the public is, the better.

    The one thing I would ask is that instead of arriving at the conclusion and then doing the research, do it the other way around.
    But these numbers have been calculated the same way for awhile now. To "look for problems" or "investigate their sources" now seems hypocritical when they were so great for certain people earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    the release of unemployment numbers is always the same. one side sings gleefully "i told you so!" while the other discredits the process of obtaining said number. every single time. the only change is if the numbers support a different view than the time before, then offense and defense switch up
    No one was questioning these numbers at the start and 1 year anniversary of Obama's first term - everyone agreed that unemployment was high and the economy was bad. Now that they are significantly lower, and show that something is going well with the economy, the same yard stick is questionable.
    The less you know, the more you believe.


    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

  2. #10062
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    An unexpected spike certainly seems weird to me.
    That's the thing. It's like Duidri is saying, the .3% jump is dismal, it's less than population growth. There is no real spike, but a very slow gradual drop. With the significance not being a spike, but dropping bellow 8%.
    Last edited by Felya420; 2012-10-05 at 08:07 PM.

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    Mitt Romeny against Coal 2003

    Quoting

    "I will not create jobs that kill people.."

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...obs/?mobile=nc

    Fast forward



    He's FOR Coal.

  4. #10064
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    video=youtube;2BpgLYryI8g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BpgLYryI8g

    Mitt Romeny against Coal 2003

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...obs/?mobile=nc

    Fast forward

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFTjJS4GtE

    He's FOR Coal.
    Hey now! Burning coal is clean energy! The smoke should remind you of camping, you pussy! /sarcasm

    Could you also, in future, include a simple link to video? It's a hassle to pull on an iPad otherwise and I usually like watching them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    He's FOR Coal.
    Phew.

    It sure is a good thing that other politicians don't change their positions over the course of nearly a decade.

  6. #10066
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakia View Post
    Phew.

    It sure is a good thing that other politicians don't change their positions over the course of nearly a decade.
    Do we get to choose which to believe or go with the newest one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    Hey now! Burning coal is clean energy! The smoke should remind you of camping, you pussy! /sarcasm

    Could you also, in future, include a simple link to video? It's a hassle to pull on an iPad otherwise and I usually like watching them.
    I could find the video in the debate where he said and I quote "I like coal" and wants to use natural gas. It was a pretty big hit at the debate. I'll put up this video however.

    I did include already two videos? are they not showing up on your ipad?



    Mitt Romeny. "Coal is Good."

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    Wheeee false equivalence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakia View Post
    Phew.

    It sure is a good thing that other politicians don't change their positions over the course of nearly a decade.
    Mitt Romeny. I will pervse a woman's right to choose.

    Mitt Romeny now says I support Pro Life.

    I give you another of Mitt..Double take..

    Who is Mitt Romeny..really..?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    Do we get to choose which to believe or go with the newest one?
    Probably the newest one. We could play this game with nearly every politician on both sides of the aisle though I'm really not up for that three page battle right now.

  11. #10071
    You know its not really necessary to point out his changed opinion on coal when you could just talk about his support for the pants-shittingly-stupid idea of "clean coal".
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyre View Post
    Internet lives in the sky, don't need no cables for that.
    A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!

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    Also not to mention

    http://www.iberkshires.com/story/148...apons-ban.html

    Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban

    This is from Fox News. Second Part

    Romney says Obama will erode the rights of gun owners in speech to NRA

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz28SYyIi4p

    Romeny against new laws for weapons

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    Ag inst new laws for assault weapons

    "We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners," Romney told thousands of NRA members in St. Louis for their annual convention. "President Obama has not. I will."

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz28SZAf4BO

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post


    Mitt Romeny against Coal 2003

    Quoting

    "I will not create jobs that kill people.."

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...obs/?mobile=nc

    Fast forward



    He's FOR Coal.
    I am NOT one to defend Romney, but between 2003 and now, IIRC, "clear coal" really made a showing - which could be what he's talking about. Just to be objective (or, at least, to appear that way :P).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Wheeee false equivalence.
    Shush you - people are "debating" now. (/sarcasm off)

    Last edited by cubby; 2012-10-05 at 08:52 PM.
    The less you know, the more you believe.


    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    pants-shittingly-stupid
    So...would this be before or after you wear them on your head.

    Cause if it is before......ew.

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    I think we should just bitch slap anyone who thinks clean coal is a smart idea anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakia View Post
    Phew.

    It sure is a good thing that other politicians don't change their positions over the course of nearly a decade.
    Indeed. It's now ok to choose the energy option that kills people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    I think we should just bitch slap anyone who thinks clean coal is a smart idea anyway.
    There's no such thing as clean coal anyway. There's ultra mega incredibly dirty coal, and then there's the even dirtier, regular kind.

    It's sort of like having someone shitting on your face, except this time it has a hint of pine scent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptwonline View Post
    There's no such thing as clean coal anyway. There's ultra mega incredibly dirty coal, and then there's the even dirtier, regular kind.

    It's sort of like having someone shitting on your face, except this time it has a hint of pine scent.
    I agree. Coal is simply one of those power sources that everyone should be in the process of phasing out. It's antiquated, dirty, and devastating on the environment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.
    Sometimes life gives you lemons, other times life gives you boobies. Life is always better with more boobies.
    The most accurate history of the USSR ever.
    And thus I give you: MALE contraception!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    It's antiquated, dirty, and devastating on the environment.
    But on the other hand, it's a cheap source of energy. Getting off it means a reduction in the standard of living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    But on the other hand, it's a cheap source of energy. Getting off it means a reduction in the standard of living.
    Only if we don't have viable alternatives.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyre View Post
    Internet lives in the sky, don't need no cables for that.
    A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptwonline View Post
    Actually, I 100% encourage people to investigate the numbers and learn how they are calculated and what they actually mean. The more educated the public is, the better.

    The one thing I would ask is that instead of arriving at the conclusion and then doing the research, do it the other way around.
    I absolutely agree with that. Sound advice. I also find it strange that the biggest monthly jump in 29 years happens 32 days before a presidential election.

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