U.S. Presidential race - Democrat Discussion

[Spectral]

Deja vu from last debate.

Not really. My complaint last time (and I know a lot of liberals share this) wasn't rudeness or inadequate moderation, it was that Romney was flat out lying with great regularity.

[obdigore]

Eh, one minor difference. I'm pro-choice, but it is my business if I'm paying for it.

When have you ever, EVER, paid for an abortion that was not a direct result of your genitals?

[Dakia]

So, when you say it's all the same, you simply don't mean anything at all? What excuses did the last debate have?

It isn't that I don't mean anything at all. What I mean is that there is always an excuse.

The excuses used in the last debate where (not my words, but those used by new sites):

The moderator was weak
Romney lied
Romney was rude
Romney was overly aggressive (This was somehow different than rude)
Obama wasn't used to being confronted
Obama was distracted, etc, etc
Obama lied

[Spectral]

Best line of the debate, IMO. Ryan had a valid position as well, until he turned it all into a faith/public life argument. How many times do we have to tell people that we're a secular government?

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Like it or not, it's a valid position.

I don't like his position that because you believe something, then everyone should.

I don't think there's anything that's remotely valid about his position. What he said amounted to, "I looked at an ultrasound and felt emotional, and also a fetus is alive". That's not a serious argument.

[Spectral]

Even though I'm not from USA. do you get the feeling nothing will really change who ever you vote for? Was a good watch though better then the obama/romney 1

No, plenty of things change based on who's elected. There's a defeatist attitude that runs contra to this, but it's simply counterfactual.

[Grizzly Willy]

And thus we find that the conservative media is unable to admit defeat, something the liberals were able to do.

[Dakia]

Even though I'm not from USA. do you get the feeling nothing will really change who ever you vote for? Was a good watch though better then the obama/romney 1

It has some bearing for independents and undecided voters, but that is really only about (maybe) 20% of potential voters at max. The majority of votes is already wrapped up and has been for months from the respective bases.

And thus we find that the conservative media is unable to admit defeat, something the liberals were able to do.

There were a lot of excuses from the liberal side for last debate. I didn't see many admissions of fault of failure.

[Spectral]

It has some bearing for independents and undecided voters, but that is really only about (maybe) 20% of potential voters at max. The majority of votes is already wrapped up and has been for months from the respective bases.

Frankly, most of the people that are still thinking, "hmmm, Romney or Obama?" are essentially idiots.

[Naxere]

When have you ever, EVER, paid for an abortion that was not a direct result of your genitals?

Do you realize there's such a thing as taxpayer-funded abortions? Last numbers I've seen (2010) were that 33% of abortions in MN were paid for by taxpayers.

[Dakia]

Frankly, most of the people that are still thinking, "hmmm, Romney or Obama?" are essentially idiots.

Don't let them catch you saying the obvious. They make a political ad out of it.

Anyways, I'm off to bed for the night. Someone tuck in FusedMass for me.

[Wells]

Do you realize there's such a thing as taxpayer-funded abortions? Last numbers I've seen (2010) were that 33% of abortions in MN were paid for by taxpayers.

Are you from Minnesota?

[obdigore]

Do you realize there's such a thing as taxpayer-funded abortions? Last numbers I've seen (2010) were that 33% of abortions in MN were paid for by taxpayers.

Provide these numbers.

[Spectral]

What possible fucking difference would it make if he was paying for it? Tax dollars go to pay for all sorts of shit that I disapprove of.

[Dakia]

Provide these numbers.

I'm going to bed, so I'm not gong to look through the report, but here is a link to Google search return and the supposed report.

http://liveaction.org/blog/state-rep...-by-taxpayers/

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/c.../2010abrpt.pdf

Note: I don't read the damn website, it just returned a link that actually linked the report in question. I am not supporting or defending his claim. I am just assisting someone that can't take 10 seconds to Google the report.

[Wells]

What possible fucking difference would it make if he was paying for it? Tax dollars go to pay for all sorts of shit that I disapprove of.

That and I don't see how the hundredth of a fraction of a penny he contributed gets him the right to legislate the uterus.

[Naxere]

Provide these numbers.

Derp, Dakia beat me to it. Yes, I live in MN Wells. Born and raised.

[oblivionx]

And thus we find that the conservative media is unable to admit defeat, something the liberals were able to do.

And after months of hiding it, you are now revealed.

No surprise here haha.

[Wells]

And after months of hiding it, you are now revealed.

No surprise here haha.

He was our most accomplished spy.

[oblivionx]

He was our most accomplished spy.

accomplished in the Obama sense, I'm sure.

By that I mean touted and claimed, but actually not.

[Spectral]

It's a rational and valid position. You simply don't agree with it. I'm guessing because you're tainted with the other beliefs about most GOP folks being pro-life, pro-death penalty, anti-health care for poor, etc.

But taken as a single topic and issue, it's valid. There's nothing substantially inaccurate with the belief that life begins at conception. I disagree with it totally, but it's not wacko stuff here.

Just trying to be reasonable here.

There's no way to have a valid and rational position that an embryo is a person. If there was a way to have one, it would be inconsistent with providing exceptions for rape.

It's completely untenable, we've just had it pounded into the national narrative for so fucking long that it's considered gauche to say that one side is completely invalid.