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One of them is lying a lot.Originally Posted by Waaldo
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2012-10-04, 01:36 AM #9281The Undying
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2012-10-04, 01:36 AM #9282Bloodsail Admiral
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I see. Thanks for the information. Cutting PBS seems to be a pretty arbitrary thing to support then.
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2012-10-04, 01:39 AM #9283Banned
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Because one candidate is lying like fucking mad. Originally Posted by Waaldo
Oh look---he just brought up Solyndra. Of course he ignores the other 30+ companies that are doing fine.
Oh---and he just basically insulted the President directly.
Class act.
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2012-10-04, 01:41 AM #9284Void Lord
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Did he bring up how everyone thought Solyndra was a safe investment?Oh look---he just brought up Solyndra. Of course he ignores the other 30+ companies that are doing fine.
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2012-10-04, 01:42 AM #9285I am Murloc!
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It was until China basically cheated. Originally Posted by Wells
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2012-10-04, 01:42 AM #9286Titan
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Something I've never liked about these debates. I'm not a fan of Obama, but you do not tell the most powerful man in the world when he is done speaking. Heck, they should both be allowed to speak for as long as they want. I want to hear everything they have to say, not just what they can cram into 2 minutes.
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2012-10-04, 01:43 AM #9287Banned
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HAHAHAHA. Sure. He definitely did. Definitely didn't make it seem like Solyndra was the only recipient of the 90 BILLION DOLLARS (Which I have no idea if it is even accurate, but Romney repeated it literally like 4 times in a minute) that he gave to the green energy industry. Originally Posted by Wells
Oh look, Romney finally brought up the 716 billion dollars taken out of Medicare lie.
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2012-10-04, 01:43 AM #9288The Undying
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There's a position that exists (which I don't agree with) that simply says that investing in private businesses is not the government's place. If that were Romney's position, he might be able to articulate some reasonable point on Solyndra. With his position that investing in energy is a good thing, there's simply not plausible way to say, "ha, Solyndra!". Originally Posted by Wells
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2012-10-04, 01:44 AM #9289Old God
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I'm looking forward to the fact checkers then. Originally Posted by Spectral
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2012-10-04, 01:44 AM #9290I am Murloc!
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This is why I don't like debates, but would instead prefer a sit-down conversation style event. Originally Posted by Kalyyn
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2012-10-04, 01:45 AM #9291Void Lord
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Solyndra made a good product. They just bet the market would go the wrong way. They specialized in super high end expensive solar panels and the market, in large part due to China, went the other way. It happens. Originally Posted by ptwonline
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2012-10-04, 01:45 AM #9292The Undying
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Unfortunately, fact checkers generally have a vested interest in faux bipartisanship. Originally Posted by Grokan
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2012-10-04, 01:46 AM #9293Bloodsail Admiral
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I have a strange feeling that a nonofficial debate in conversational form would result in them trying to kill each other. Originally Posted by ptwonline
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2012-10-04, 01:47 AM #9294The Undying
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I'm not seeing the downside to this. Incidentally, this is possibly the greatest blog post ever - Originally Posted by Decagon
http://faceintheblue.wordpress.com/2...d-win-and-why/
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2012-10-04, 01:48 AM #9295Banned
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I wish Obama would just call Romney a fucking liar.
There he goes again stating the 716 billion dollar medicare lie.
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2012-10-04, 01:49 AM #9296Banned
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Poor Obama, he's getting crushed tonight. Looks like the complete blathering idiot he really is.
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2012-10-04, 01:50 AM #9297The Undying
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I suppose the main takeaway from this is to realize that I may be experiencing the same level of bias. This really is absolute lunacy though. Originally Posted by ScottsdaleHokie
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2012-10-04, 01:51 AM #9298Banned
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Are you serious? Romney is fucking lying like crazy. Originally Posted by ScottsdaleHokie
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2012-10-04, 01:54 AM #9299Old God
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I'm interested in seeing evidence for this. Originally Posted by Spectral
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2012-10-04, 01:57 AM #9300The Undying
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I don't think there's anyway to show systemic evidence of it. It's an opinion. Read a bunch of their analyses and see if you agree or not. I'm entirely willing to accept that not everyone will agree. I think it's easy to find anecdotes of them being faux bipartisan, but that doesn't really prove much of anything. Originally Posted by Grokan
To be clear, I think they provide a fantastic and valuable service. I just don't think using their ratings as a standalone way to evaluate how often a candidate tells the truth works well.
