SW:TOR Bashing In Season

[A Challenger!]

So I was bored and browsing about, when out of the corner of my eye this thread caught my attention in the blue tracker: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3988670769

Now, while I realize that the OP's point is entirely subjective, I cannot get over the amount of hypocritical rage the denizens of the WoW forums displayed upon hearing SWTOR's name. The second the OP mentioned SWTOR, the forums erupted into seven pages of erratic filth spewing, for no reason whatsoever. If the OP decides to go to SWTOR and it flops, so be it. If the OP decides to go to SWTOR and it remains successful, so be it. Why do the forums have to act like the OP just murdered their cat?

It baffles me, it really does. I doubt this is naming and shaming, as the posters names are for all to see, but people like Vorps especially just make it their lifes work to do nothing but bash SWTOR, and for what. Do these individuals feel betrayed because the game wasn't what they expected? Perhaps they feel insulted and teased by the fact the game is "just another MMO"? I truly do not understand it.

Then come posts such as, and I quote;

Dude.
Just..
Go back to being an Ewok and leave the real games to people who don't need flourescent marital aides as weapons.

This one just stunned me. The man makes a crack about Lightsabers, but squids-on-a-stick in WoW are perfectly acceptable? Or how about the entire Deathwing raid having weapons consisting nothing of parts of Deathwing. The hypocrisy is just astounding.

Another quote;

RIFT surged and died pretty quickly, so yeah 2-3 months isn't too far off the mark.

EDIT: And yes I'm aware "new" patches are coming out but when "new" means rehashing all old content for solo raiding and 3rd difficulty settings for 5mans... yeah no.

Seriously? More hypocrisy, as the only part of the Deathwing raid that was unique, was battling Deathwing on his back, and that is just one example from that specific raid, I do not even want to go on about how they rehashed the Zul's.

Last quote I feel like posting;

Do you mean the questing that is done in hallways where you hardly do anything because your companion does it all for you, not to mention the lack of exploration? I played for the free month and quit because when I hit 34 I was bored out of my skull.

So the illusion of choice in WoW, makes it better? It is better because you can fly about and explore places that have literally no purpose at all? Exploration means you should be able to see static locations and generated terrain that serve no purpose so you BELIEVE it is exploration?

To clarify, WoW does have "exploration", but what is there to do? Unless you are still leveling, there is literally no point. Leveling in WoW is as boring as leveling in SWTOR; it is an entirely subjective statement. REAL exploration is something like Everquest, something WoW and SWTOR do not have.

I by no means despise WoW, I believe Activision-Blizzard has some of the best customer service, if not the best, ever seen in an MMO. I also believe they have a quality game and know it, just as much as they know they have a quality business going on. WoW is by no means a bad game, nor is it failing any time soon. Just because it doesn't appeal to you, does not make it bad. However, the same applies to SWTOR, and yet this thread and any other that mentions it seem to thrive in a cesspool of hypocrisy, denial, and an overall smugness that is just too foul for words.

I am not QQing, I am not bitching, I am simply curious to see if anyone agrees that this hypocrisy is nothing short of disgusting. The way I see it, if WoW fails, it fails due to Activision-Blizzard. If SWTOR fails, it fails due to EA pushing BioWare, or BioWare themselves; that is all that should matter, in the end.

So, tl;dr why all the hypocrisy, venom, and vehement hate-mongering on anything that dares try to market itself as an MMO? Why does anyone give a damn about it this much to make seven pages+ about it at LEAST once a week?

A quick addendum; I realize that this could be role reversed for WoW, but I am talking about the experiences witnessed with the WoW community, its inability to accept anything other than Activison-Blizzard products, and why they feel the need to act smug about everything MMO that is released, whether it is in direct opposition with WoW or not.

Please keep the damn game bashing out of the thread, it is a discussion, not an attack on anyone's idea of enjoyment.

[Deleted]

Because people aren't allowed to play/like other games.

[obdigore]

Why don't you post this in the thread on the wow forums?

[Cairhiin]

This is how it is really. For some odd reason gamers are like football fans who onnly support their own team. I can understand it a little, don't get me wrong, they're competitors of a sort after all. However it is only good for the MMO market if there's other successful MMOs. WoW has had too much of a monopoly position and it has made the developers lazy and complacent. If other MMOs start doing good, the quality of WoW content will go up. Competition is good.

[Syferite]

This is what happens when someone cares too much about a game, or anything for that matter. Anything that threatens it or talks crap about it becomes some big bad evil person that is out to get them. Just the way it is. It happens with soccer teams, other sports teams, favorite bands etc...

[Grable]

I believe "haters gonna hate" is appropriate phrase for this occurence.

[A Challenger!]

Why don't you post this in the thread on the wow forums?

I felt it related more to SWTOR than anything else. I was going to post it in general or something, as this may just pertain to culture in general, than any specific verse, but I'll leave that up to a mod to move if so.

[Mayia]

Because nerd rage is retarded.
And because most of wow/sw's population are fanboys, and if you say anything bad about what they love then, abuse will fly every which way, no logic whats so ever.

Sadly the internet allows people to act like retards without being beaten for speaking up against people, one day facebook will allow everyone to be known by name and then all the trolls will have to hide their details from the world or stop being twats.

[Larynx]

Post this in general discussion.

You'll get the same response as the guy in that thread.

[Forgottenone]

I love both games, SWTOR has a lot of bugs it needs to have fix but it is a enjoyable game. However I really think that a lot of people in WoW just don't like any game that can potentially compete with a game that they have invested so much time in. Hell it would annoy me if I only played WoW then a new game comes in and starts becoming the best (I am in no way saying SWTOR is going to do this, just an example).

As I said the game has a lot of flaws but I still find it very enjoyable and when WoW first started it had its flaws although I didn't notice them mostly because it was my first mmo. After 7 years of WoW it is easy finding a flaw in any other mmo lol.

[KCguy]

I enjoy playing any game as long as it's fun. I've been vocal about how much I despise SWTOR and I stand by it. It's not because I'm a fan boy. It's because to me, SWTOR is inferior in every way compared to WoW. WoW might be a shell of it's former self, but it's still better than any other MMO on the market.

[obdigore]

I felt it related more to SWTOR than anything else. I was going to post it in general or something, as this may just pertain to culture in general, than any specific verse, but I'll leave that up to a mod to move if so.

If you dont like something, speak up. It is the only way for your opinon to be heard, instead of having this posters single opinion wither under the deluge of irrational hate and spite.

---------- Post added 2012-02-02 at 04:31 AM ----------

I enjoy playing any game as long as it's fun. I've been vocal about how much I despise SWTOR and I stand by it. It's not because I'm a fan boy. It's because to me, SWTOR is inferior in every way compared to WoW. WoW might be a shell of it's former self, but it's still better than any other MMO on the market.

Then why are you in the SW:TOR subforums?

[A Challenger!]

Post this in general discussion.

You'll get the same response as the guy in that thread.

Again, I was about to, but felt it pertained more to SWTOR than a general discussion. The issue at its heart however, IS a general discussion issue, as it is a philosophical one; why do we tear down what we do not accept.

If people were going to bash and flame me in general for posting this there, then I bring up the question of why. Here I stand as a neutral view; I sit and bear witness to this blood feud between gamers, and think to myself "Why is it impossible for one to accept the other, and leave it at that?" Such a thought provokes such hate mongering? One either has to be for or against something, and not see things in the greater picture?

There is a meme image out there for this somewhere..

[Cairhiin]

I love both games, SWTOR has a lot of bugs it needs to have fix but it is a enjoyable game. However I really think that a lot of people in WoW just don't like any game that can potentially compete with a game that they have invested so much time in. Hell it would annoy me if I only played WoW then a new game comes in and starts becoming the best (I am in no way saying SWTOR is going to do this, just an example).

As I said the game has a lot of flaws but I still find it very enjoyable and when WoW first started it had its flaws although I didn't notice them mostly because it was my first mmo. After 7 years of WoW it is easy finding a flaw in any other mmo lol.

I think you said it very well. It is all about being afraid of the unknown. A lot of WoW players are afraid that SW:TOR might be a great MMO after all. I still have a WoW subscription. I don't play it much anymore though (for other reasons than the game being stale and boring) but WoW will always be that MMO that gave you that awe effect when you created your first character despite all its bugs and flaws in vanilla. SW:TOR for me recaptures a bit of that vanilla feel. That raw potential. But apologies for going off-topic a little.

[A Challenger!]

If you dont like something, speak up. It is the only way for your opinon to be heard, instead of having this posters single opinion wither under the deluge of irrational hate and spite.[COLOR="red"]

Well that is why I posted this to begin with. Usually I am a lurker, just adding my two cents here and there, but I have seen this happening for months now, regardless of whether or not the game is a flop or not and I just had to speak up and try to ascertain the communities true feelings on the matter.

I genuinely want discussion, both criticism and compliments to coexist in an intertwining balance. I made the thread in hopes of getting a greater scope of how people felt on the subject matter.

To the above poster, I do not know how other people feel about SWTOR, so I will not speak for them, but I will agree and say that I do think some people, not all, have second thoughts about SWTOR, and believe it can pull itself from this mild hump to be a quality experience. I do not play WoW either anymore, my personal reasons are due to the lore. Flame all you wish, but I just feel Metzen has turned Thrall into a Mary Sue, and the story into drivel. That is my opinion on the matter, and as such, it just ruined the game for me.

Personally? It is my own flaw; I allow something such as story to decimate an experience for me, but the story issues in my eyes do not change the fact it is still a thriving, and powerful game. WoW is essentially the success story that I am sure many companies strive for; a game company that knew bare minimum about MMO's making it big through their game universe turned online world.

SW:TOR is also a great game however, and despite its flaws, it has the chance to become much better. It is not the design disaster Age of Conan or Warhammer Online was, where content was cut prior to release to save time. It genuinely has a chance. Yes, there are times I log in and become bored, or feel something is a slog (Urgh, Quesh..) but I remember I had the same feelings in WoW at times, so I simply do what I did then; do something else. Whether that be go outside, play another game, write, whatever, I just go take a break and come back.

I think, and this is just my opinion, that may be part of the problem entirely. Many people take WoW's content for granted, and forget that they too had moments where they felt a slog, or that in the beginning, WoW had barely any content to its name as well. Nothing short of a perfect MMO will ever be able to avoid these discrepancies.

[Deleted]

Then why are you in the SW:TOR subforums?

You didn't read his post, he wants to be vocal about how much he despises SWTOR, that's why he's here. God forbid he'd come here to post something objective or constructive!

[Omniclass]

Them rehashing old content is amusing to me, how can you rehash something you dont have :S.....All it is internet tough jobs trying to get a props or a thumbs up to improve their self-worth from some internet yes man cheering them on or stating how correct they are.

Internet= anonymous; anon + opinion = correct(perceived correctness); Fanboy + PC = lashing out against competition.

Thus only remedy would be maturity but its produces an error most of the time when trying to process through any of the above equations. Humanity has no debugging so no eta on a possible fix

[StationaryHawk]

I have seen plenty of SWTOR players bash WoW, WoW players bash SWTOR, SWTOR players bash SWTOR, WoW players bash WoW... you get the idea.

The fact is, people will bash anything they don't understand or agree with 100%. Saying that WoW players are bad for bashing SWTOR is just as hypocritical as the act of WoW players bashing SWTOR.

[HolgerDK]

I by no means despise WoW, I believe Activision-Blizzard has some of the best customer service, if not the best, ever seen in an MMO. I also believe they have a quality game and know it, just as much as they know they have a quality business going on. WoW is by no means a bad game, nor is it failing any time soon. Just because it doesn't appeal to you, does not make it bad. However, the same applies to SWTOR, and yet this thread and any other that mentions it seem to thrive in a cesspool of hypocrisy, denial, and an overall smugness that is just too foul for words.

When do people get though their thick skulls that Blizzard and Activision-Blizzard has is NOT a the same!

The latter is made of Vivendi Universal Games and Activision.

[grandpab]

The fact is, people will bash anything they don't understand or agree with 100%.

This is the problem and you'll see it with any game, or pretty much any other topic honestly. It's players that have formed an ignorant opinion, or they just don't like what's happening. They probably watched a single video and decided they didn't like it, or they read what someone else said and they thought 'hmm, this must be how the game is so I don't like it', even if what that person said was wrong.

It's kinda like hating on somebody for liking heavy metal music when you like rap. I mean, it's not exactly like that, but you get the idea. People will hate for no logical reason on any topic possible. I'll even be honest and say I've been guilty of this, but I feel like I've kinda grown past it.