Pallys only banned in "extreme cases" for abusing seals.

[aggression]

I just read this. Most hurt are pallys abusing arenas etc. But they also say "extreme cases". What fit within "extreme cases"?

I just did some datamining @ raidbot and found some heavy pally dps. I have nothing in common with this guild, I just found them and checked their ordinary raid setup (they usally use 2 pally tanks, but not this day).

Should this guild (or pallys) be banned for a few days? http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-dk0ge78dc9n6s24q/

They even used a bad geared pally for Ultraxion, which was their first guild kill ofc.

Is this "extreme" in Blizzards eyes? If not, then what is? Blizzard seems to go against their own rules "We made the problem, so we are the bad ones". Then what about "Using or abusing mechanics that isn't intended"?

If you think this is extreme. Should just pallys get banned? Or do you think all raid should be banned a few days (like Ensidia @ ICC25hc were)?
It's pretty safe to tell they exploited. Not even my daughter @ 5y can say anything else. They also took another boss @ hc, if you check it...first kill for guild. So that makes it 2 kills in one night even....with "pallys".

[Bulma]

I don't think anyone got banned. Do you have proof of people actually being banned? How is using something part of your class against the rules?

[aggression]

I don't think anyone got banned. Do you have proof of people actually being banned? How is using something part of your class against the rules?

I'm asking if they got banned or not, or if you think they SHOULD be banned. I'm questioning Blizzards way of "Extreme cases". Read my post again before you post.

And, when walljumping was an exploit, people got banned. It's a part of your normal "skills", ain't it? And people got banned, for "life" doing it.
An exploit is using/abusing something within the game that should not be there, or possible to do. Doing massive DPS with ONE skill ainät normal.
When using 3 pallys, from which only ONE was ordinary in the raid setup (and two being in total crap gear)...then it's exploiting (if you ask me). Ain't it?

Forgot to mention that the ordinary pally was their MT, as protection. But suddenly they let him DPS instead....I wonder why... Not exploiting? Yeah, right...

[Kavoo]

OP, what are they exploiting ? Care to explain ?

[Fhi]

I'm asking if they got banned or not, or if you think they SHOULD be banned. I'm questioning Blizzards way of "Extreme cases". Read my post again before you post.

Haha unfortunately, 3/4 of the people on this site are unable to realize that there is a whole post that comes after the thread title.

I think they evaluate it on a case by case basis. I.e whatever they think it's extreme. Some are obvious, like arena ratings (thinking high 2000s - 3000). Ultraxion first kill? Probably not. They tend to be lenient until clear malicious intent is there. This one affected ALL rets, not just people who intentionally find a way to do 200k dps. I'm guessing a lot of people who tried to take as much advantage of it as possible will get away with it, just because it will be hard for them to distinguish intent.

[Pikevinge]

Ehh, technically they should be punished if they went out of their way to get more pallys to "exploit" the bug. Will Blizzard do anything about it? Probably not.

[Bulma]

I'm asking if they got banned or not, or if you think they SHOULD be banned. I'm questioning Blizzards way of "Extreme cases". Read my post again before you post.

And, when walljumping was an exploit, people got banned. It's a part of your normal "skills", ain't it? And people got banned, for "life" doing it.
An exploit is using/abusing something within the game that should not be there, or possible to do. Doing massive DPS with ONE skill ainät normal.
When using 3 pallys, from which only ONE was ordinary in the raid setup (and two being in total crap gear)...then it's exploiting (if you ask me). Ain't it?

Forgot to mention that the ordinary pally was their MT, as protection. But suddenly they let him DPS instead....I wonder why... Not exploiting? Yeah, right...

Maybe you should read my post again. No one is banned, there is no reason to be banned. You are implying people have been banned and are asking under what circumstances.

[Herecius]

Maybe you should read my post again. No one is banned, there is no reason to be banned. You are implying people have been banned and are asking under what circumstances.

Some paladins were most definitely banned for using the bug to lol their way to high ratings in arenas. No idea about raids though.

[LaplaceNoMa]

You are implying people have been banned and are asking under what circumstances.

I believe you should quote the exact part of his post which 'implies' that, either way you've made 2 totally unconstructive spam posts in order to get some attention. And yeah,

Haha unfortunately, 3/4 of the people on this site are unable to realize that there is a whole post that comes after the thread title.

[Derpyhooves]

I don't think people need to be banned, I would just be happy if things that were gained by exploiting the bug be removed.

[Aspect of Death]

Some paladins were most definitely banned for using the bug to lol their way to high ratings in arenas. No idea about raids though.

Do you have proof of this?

OT: I dont think they will ban anyone, even if they did DW heroic with 7 ret pallys, or getting gladiator rating.. Already know 1 ret that got glad rateing during this bug, and did not get any ban (yet atleast).

But its a smart move by blizz to not ban everyone, that would just be silly.. (Like myself, (had no idea). I logged pally and did 1st boss in LFR and i had 250k dps, at first i thought it had to be recount.. But then everyone said it was a bug, so i left LFR and logged my rogue to do some pvp.. Anyway! If they ban me for logging playing my class with no idea of the bug, then that would just be stupid. But, they should obviously ban ppl who got achievements/rateing (etc) imo

[Herecius]

Do you have proof of this?

You'll have to take my word for it, as I have no interest in naming and shaming, but it was somebody I know personally. I have zero motivation to lie about this. I think it's also reasonable to assume that if this one person got banned for rolling an arena team full of rets and rolling to rating, it's safe to assume that a good number of others who did similar things did (or soon will be) as well.

As I said though, I've no idea about raiders. It may be that it's far easier to track a newly made arena team full of rets on the day of the bug than the thousands upon thousands of raids that go on, many of which are perfectly legitimate, since we raided on the day of the bug with a ret who did not have the bug, so everything was basically normal for us.

[Deleted]

I think for arenas they must reset rating for ppl who used the bug to gain any wins. Bans if totally abused it. For pve it matters less but achievement and gear removal from new hc kills that happened only because of bug maybe. Blizzard Has to bann exploiters or that lfr incident means nothing for exploiting guilds and next wf race will be same as every other race.

[0oglitcho0]

3 simple words:

Get over it.

[Herecius]

3 simple words:

Get over it.

The question 'what is the line?' when it comes to Blizzard's policies is perfectly legitimate, and not one that's entirely clear when it comes to bugs/exploits. Nobody is whining here, this is very much more 'what is an extreme case? Where does Blizzard decide to ban, and decide not to ban?'

[Derpyhooves]

3 simple words:

Get over it.

Lol? People were banned for exploiting the LFR bug to get 384 gear... how is it different to exploit the ret bug to kill a heroic boss you couldn't normally kill and pick up heroic gear? Like I said I don't even think bans are needed just take away stuff people got that they wouldn't normally have been able to get. Most people won't be effected since they did nothing wrong. The people that went out of their way to take advantage of it shouldn't benefit though.

[Herecius]

Lol? People were banned for exploiting the LFR bug to get 384 gear... how is it different to exploit the ret bug to kill a heroic boss you couldn't normally kill and pick up heroic gear? Like I said I don't even think bans are needed just take away stuff people got that they wouldn't normally have been able to get. Most people won't be effected since they did nothing wrong. The people that went out of their way to take advantage of it shouldn't benefit though.

Was anybody banned for taking advantage of the bug in LFR? I don't remember reading that.

[Deleted]

Was anybody banned for taking advantage of the bug in LFR? I don't remember reading that.

...joking?

[Derpyhooves]

Was anybody banned for taking advantage of the bug in LFR? I don't remember reading that.

Temp banned yes.... remember the big deal over many top progression guilds getting 8 day bans?

[Herecius]

Temp banned yes.... remember the big deal over many top progression guilds getting 8 day bans?

Oh, I completely misread it, my bad. I was reading that as 'exploiting the paladin bug to get LFR gear,' I wasn't even thinking back to the guild-wide bans exploiting LFR itself.