Last edited by Notos; 2012-02-07 at 09:20 AM.
Never understood obsesion with Star Wars. As sci-fi it fails imo. Story - nothing smart or entertaining or fun, Lucas just isn't a good writer (yeah Indiana Jones sucks too for me).
And I don't dislike old sci-fi. I find Alien very enjoyable and Issaac Asimov's books are top notch - that's even older than Star Wars.
In 1979 Star Wars might made audience gasp with hyperspace jumps, but after 20 years there's no enduring value, lol.
My point? Your age may greatly influence which of the movies you like best.
while I also prefer the old movies (born in the 70's) I do accept, that lucas actually repeated the huge success with the new movies. I have a younger brother at the age of 11 and he is a big fan, loads of kids that age are. (and they wouldn't be if it wasn't for the new trilogy)
Here's what the general public thinks:
Episode IV - A New Hope (1977)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/ - 8.8/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars/ - 94%
Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/ - 8.8/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/empire_strikes_back/ - 97%
Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/ - 8.3/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/ - 79%
Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120915/ - 6.4/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star...hantom_menace/ - 60%
Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121765/ - 6.8/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star...of_the_clones/ - 67%
Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/ - 7.7/10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/ - 80%
I have to say I'm pretty much in agreement with those numbers. Then again, I watched the first three Star Wars movies as a child in the 80's, so I am biased. Although, pretty much everyone is biased; either you watched the original ones in an era without modern CGI, where they used miniatures and matte paintings, and you appreciated the movies for what they were then, OR you were born so late that green screen and CGI (and 3D, sigh) were the norm.
Anyway, here's how it is: George Lucas Now and Then
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Basically, hesmadbro that other people are better writers than him and took his work and made it better.
Starwars.com used to have an awesome expanded universe section, where you could find all kinds of official stuff pertaining to all the different aspects of the expanded universe; books, CCG, video games, and so on.
I guess they gave up trying to maintain that site and now all that information is on Wookieepedia. That's fine, although that's a wiki, and people don't trust wikis. I don't mind the fact that they threw all the EU stuff out, because I'm glad it's got picked up by the wiki. Whether that was a move by Lucas to try and bury the EU side and some unrelated people started Wookieepedia, or whether Wookieepedia started out as an official wiki (it's "treated" as an official wiki by the official site, anyway), I don't know.
That bothers me though. Now, I love the Clone Wars, and I know it's mainly for kids, but why make the official site aimed for five-year-olds? That kind of bothers me. Bad move on the web design. Sure, it's kid-friendly, but that doesn't sell it very well for us adults.
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Case in point: Darth Vader in the original series is a BAMF villain. You learn everything you need to know about him and especially and you feel almost sorry and at the end even glad that he was redeemed. You can tell he's someone not to be fucked with right from the get go and it carries on throughout the originals. The prequel anakin? Is a whiny twat who's "fall to the dark side" was more like watching a small child pissing and moaning about mommy taking him to the doctor rather than a tragic fall of a hero tempted by power. His love for padame was forced and largely unexplained other than he had a huge boy crush on her before his balls dropped and at one point in the movie he deliberately tries to murder the very reason he was supposedly being tempted to the dark side in the first place. Not like an "oops i went dark side and she died" which would have made sense he out right chokes the damn bitch all because she accidentally lead obi-wan to him. That's another we never see Anakin develop as a character. We get child anakin shoot right to whiny teenage anakin who then becomes whiny adult anakin with longer hair and not a single reason to give a flying fuck about the character other than the fact that we know eventually he becomes darth vader. I could go on for pages about the plot inconsistencies, crappy writing, and overall bland character development of the prequels but I think I've said enough.
Mostly though you completely missed what he was actually saying to you. Take an old game like any Final Fantasy game(I personally despise the series but it's popular) or Zelda(take OoT or LTP), or even Kotor. All hugely and widely successful games. If you released any of those games today as they were they would not be anywhere near as critically acclaimed. That doesn't mean any of those are shitty games. For their time they were amazing and best sellers and they largely hold up when you replay them. Remaking those games just "updating" the original films is ass face retarded and being overly critical of what many years ago was pretty amazing special effects is equally disingenuous. CGI does not make the movie. Just look at the umpteen billion special edition star wars collections. Does adding another 200 screen clogging CGI animals add more to the story? Fuck no it doesn't and I'd contend that a lot of the CGI in the prequels actually looks more fake than the original special effects. 90% of the prequels is two jack asses walking around or sitting on a couch in a blue screen set. The over digitizing went too far and instead of enhancing the story the story became a vehicle to jam as much special effects into your eye as they could in any given scene. In all honesty I feel like the prequels would have been better had they been made when the originals were because they might have actually had to shoot on location or develop sets. I mean hell you remember when Obi Wan watches Grevious(another why the fuck does he exist character in the prequels) bust out his 4 sabers not 10 feet from him? The guy doesn't even flinch because even though he's an excellent actor it's pretty damn hard to react to something that isn't there. Most of the prequels looked fake or drawn in because it was so extensively CGI'd. I'd take old school Yoda puppet in an actual swap over the Mustafar battle which shit all over your suspension of disbelief and was so over the top it makes me gag.
Let me put it this way if Yoda was CGI in the original movies would he have been a more compelling character? I think not. You can piss and moan about puppetry, and really yoda was actually pretty well done for a puppet, but the fact is that wasn't what made yoda yoda. Yoda was supposed to be the ultimate force mystic, you never once see him train luke with a light saber
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It can be hard at times to separate bad acting from bad writing and I think the prequels suffer from the latter more than anything else.
I'll be happy when my CD-RW part gets here so i can finally get all my stuff burned onto VCD...
but seriously, too lazy to load a dvd into the player? wtf?
dictated but not read.
The only observation I made was how detached SWTOR actually felt from the movie franchise
George "Toyboy" Lucas did at one point mention that there were more aspects of the prequel trilogy aimed at kids - Anakin, Jar Jar etc. Obviously by Revenge of the Sith, he took complaints on-board - Graphic decapitation, force choking a pregnant woman, SLJ barely stopping himself from asking the Emperor if he looks like a bitch, etc.
I have no complaints about #3 other than Haydens wooden acting. Poor lines are only responsible for so much. You can't blame the writing on his slightly confused, befuddled angry little boy glare he wears the ENTIRE MOVIE. McGregor came out looking ok despite the same writer. #1 obviously being universally slated for just reasons. Jar Jar, underwater city, overuse of CGI characters and animals, stupid battle in a field under big blue bubbles (Hey guys, look at this! A shield! How qaint. Get one of our starships to fire its turbolasers at them, we only want to strip mine the planet anyway), Jar Jar, Poorly timed lines, slightly unplausable rescue, Jar Jar...
But personally (Don't kill me) other than the last 15minutes of ESB (Best 15minutes of Cinema), I prefered ROTJ overall. 6-5-3-4-2-1 in my eyes.
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It makes sense to me that the older generation would continue liking 4-6, I mean, that's when the Imperials were winning, and that's the generation in control of our government.
To see people cry and complain that they think movies have too much CGI or should go back to the way they used to be is like wanting to go back to the Great Depression, that older generation doesn't want anyone else to be happy, they hate seeing people happy, they want you to share in their misery. Lol.