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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazlehoff View Post
    i voted GW2, but then i saw the trailer for Secret world. gotta say, dunno whitch is more interesting to me, now.

    that game looks pretty bad ass. wow.
    The theme/settings looks bad ass. I would read it if it was a book But whether it plays well ... that's different question.

    My part in this story has been decided. And I will play it well.

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Irishman View Post
    The Secret World? I've never heard of it, ever, not even on the little MMO-Champion spam advertisements, so that certainly speaks volumes regarding their PR department considering I don't go a day without seeing something GW2 related, not that I mind.
    I think it's obvious why. They're afraid of overhyping their game too far in advance... like perhaps their... umm.. previous game <cough>conan<cough>... I'm sure they'll push out more info when it's ready. I think they're doing a big release of info on the 21st. Unfortunately they'll have to compete with GW2 for media coverage.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    Well yes it's personal opinion... but I think it's important. If only 10% of MMORPG players are interested in raiding, then I'm sure lots of standard MMORPG players will play a game like GW2. If it turns out that more than 50% of WOW players are interested in raiding, then GW2 might have trouble getting lots of players.
    Why only WoW players? We discussed how many people just actually raid which isn't an accurate number because LFR is here, but since LFR is so easy and easily accessible most likely a high amount of people raid now then before weather they actually like it or not.

    GW2 won't have trouble getting players, it might have trouble stealing players from wow but that's a different topic. Since you are assuming most mmo gamers play WoW.
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  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Repefe View Post
    The theme/settings looks bad ass. I would read it if it was a book But whether it plays well ... that's different question.
    The settings of TSW draws influence heavily from the works of H.P. Lovecraft also known as the father of modern horror. His novels can be a tough read if you're unprepared as his writing style is very archaic even for the time period he lived in but immensely interesting stories nonetheless.

  5. #285
    Okay, so I checked wowprogress.com. It tells me only 510,000 characters have killed the first boss in the current tier of raiding. That includes US, EU, Oceanic, and a few other server groups.

    I think it's safe to say that approximately 10% of players in WOW raid.

    Of course that doesn't include LFR raids, but the percentage appears to be the same even back before LFR came out.

    As a sort of statisically weak extrapolation, I think it's somewhat safe to suggest that GW2 won't "fail" due to lack of raiding, or due people's concerns that "WTF you can't have a succesful MMOPRG without raiding, noob!" since 9+ million people pay (and have paid) for WOW without raiding.

  6. #286
    Of course that doesn't include LFR raids, but the percentage appears to be the same even back before LFR came out.
    That's fine if its before LFR came out then you have a point, but LFR is out and you still don't have an accurate number of how many WoW players raid now.

    Also, when a giant boss appears and it requires multiple people to kill = a raid, just because its not instance doesn't mean it is not a raid. It means it's not a typical WoW raid but its still a raid.
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  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    Why only WoW players? We discussed how many people just actually raid which isn't an accurate number because LFR is here, but since LFR is so easy and easily accessible most likely a high amount of people raid now then before weather they actually like it or not.

    GW2 won't have trouble getting players, it might have trouble stealing players from wow but that's a different topic. Since you are assuming most mmo gamers play WoW.
    I'm using WOW as the example, because WOW statistics are available.

    And yes, I do assume most MMORPG players play WOW.

  8. #288
    And yes, I do assume most MMORPG players play WOW.
    Personal opinion =/= fact. You can probably find 10 million players just spread out in other mmo's
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  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    Personal opinion =/= fact. You can probably find 10 million players just spread out in other mmo's
    Maybe, but just barely. Link:

    mmodata.net

    http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png

    http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

    If you add up all the other MMORPGs, they might just barely add up to 10 million. I think it's safe to say that approximately half of the MMORPG market plays WOW.

  10. #290
    Quite intrigued about The Secret World. The fact that it is made by Tornquist is very exciting in itself as it's almost a guarantee that it will be something thought out and audacious in its approach. I saw some footage and I noticed a very humorous undertone, which is great in my books. The environment reminds me of a very old adventure game called "Hollywood Monsters". The only uncertainty that I am yet to answer is whether this is going to be a pure Sandbox or more of a Theme-park with some sandbox elements.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    Maybe, but just barely. Link:

    mmodata.net

    http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png

    http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

    If you add up all the other MMORPGs, they might just barely add up to 10 million. I think it's safe to say that approximately half of the MMORPG market plays WOW.
    Yes, and with LFR it's safe to assume that most players do raid because it's that easy you don't seem to understand how easy. Weather they got into WoW though just for raiding is unknown.
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  12. #292
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    I don't think you want to be a highly anticipated game. It is kind of like being on the cover of Madden, the kiss of death.
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  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    I don't think you want to be a highly anticipated game. It is kind of like being on the cover of Madden, the kiss of death.
    Given it's a game that generates revenue from box sales I don't see how being highly anticipated is a kiss of death for it, but okay then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    I don't think you want to be a highly anticipated game. It is kind of like being on the cover of Madden, the kiss of death.
    The reason why games of popular note turn out to be duds is because of overhyping about a game from people who know little to none about the game and its development.

    As far as we have seen, Arenanet has given us almost every single feature in full detail when they are able to, which is something almost no other company has done before. ToR didnt have that much coverage on its features. And I am not talking about inside sources mind you, I am talking about public statements about their plans for the game, the only thing that isn't mentioned is covered by the NDA, which for the most part is nonexistent aside from being a piece of paper.

    On top of this, I really dont think GW2 has that much gype given to it outside of the MMO community, only a handful of people even know of it, and thats only a fraction of the MMO community. I cant tell you how many people I talk to who didn't even know a sequel to Guild Wars was being made, and thought it was going to be the same as the first one.

    The kiss of death only holds true when you know little about the game. As for the people addictively following the game's development, there isn't much we DON'T know about this game, aside from first hand testing.

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    Time to face the truth, never say never...
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    Yeah, I don't see how widespread anticipation can be considered a bad thing. Yes, some MMORPGs that have had widespread anticipation have flopped. Some have done fairly well, but a few have actually lived up to the hype.

    It's not like the lack of success in those MMORPGs that didn't do as well is because they got too many followers prior to launch.
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  16. #296
    Knock off the game bashing guys. Final warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borzo View Post
    Well yes it's personal opinion... but I think it's important. If only 10% of MMORPG players are interested in raiding, then I'm sure lots of standard MMORPG players will play a game like GW2. If it turns out that more than 50% of WOW players are interested in raiding, then GW2 might have trouble getting lots of players.
    I think this is too much black/white colouring... Darkademic has a great response to this:
    Concerns About the Content's Nature

    In terms of the the nature of the content, players are unsure whether Guild Wars 2 will cater to certain types of players, in particular to hardcore raiders due to an apparent lack of anything that has similar characteristics to raids (i.e. challenging, instanced encounters designed for premade groups of more than five players).

    The answer to this is quite straightforward, and requires these players to define what specific qualities they need in the game in order for them to enjoy it. Dynamic events and explorable mode dungeons will both fulfil certain combinations of the qualities offered by raids, but not all of them.

    For example, if raiding appeals to you because of the large number of players involved, or because of the "epic" feel of fighting massive bosses, then dynamic events are exactly what you want. Conversely, if raiding appeals to you because of the challenge—the difficulty of the encounters and the requirements of preparation and teamwork—then explorable mode dungeons will provide you with these things.

    If however you absolutely must have all of these characteristics within a single type of content, then Guild Wars 2 most likely will not be for you, at least in this respect.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...Eat-the-Carrot

  18. #298
    I hope pandaland turns into a puddle of horse shit.

    OH wait it's already a puddle of horse shit. Hopefully blizzard learns from guild wars 2 and tries to be new and innovative.

    I already warned against game bashing in this thread, please don't do it. Infracted. -Edge
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  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by staticflare View Post
    I hope pandaland turns into a puddle of horse shit.

    OH wait it's already a puddle of horse shit. Hopefully blizzard learns from guild wars 2 and tries to be new and innovative.
    That's a little bit unfair. You hope another game turns into horse shit? It's just a video game? How can a person hate a video game so much that you want it to turn to shit? Games are supposed to be for other people to have fun in... why would you hope someone else's fun is ruined?

    And how is it already a puddle of horse shit? You're comparing and expansion that hasn't come out yet, to a new game, that also hasn't come out yet. That makes no sense man...

    If we were talking about American politics, or maybe religion or something, I can see people getting worked up and frothing at the mouth... but these are just 2 video games dude.

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by nektar View Post
    The same thread exists in the MoP section too and many there are voting GW2 anyway so what's the difference?
    I am fairly sure that many people have blocked certain parts of the "recent forum posts" board which in extension causes biasedness in the polls since people who do not like the said games (MoP and Gw2 for example), yet they are anticipating TSW and TERA, will not find these threads, thus will not contribute with their votes to the outcome.



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    Ps: I also voted GW2 cause I decided to make it my next thing after WoW, but I managed to do so, through here, only cause I have blocked any WoW/SWTOR/Rift-related content.
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