Depleted Uranium Ammunition

[Deleted]

In war, the advantages of Depleted Uranium munitions are many. However many people oppose its use.

The United States and its NATO allies maintain that Depleted Uranium dust (a by-product) doesn't cause cancer and birth defects, however, 136 countries are citing other research saying that it does.

Which side do you think is right?


Here is the wikipedia entry:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

[Fuger]

Personally, I have no contact with Iraq Tank Carcasses. Really, the bullets are way to expensive to be used on a scale large enough to effect anyone that doesn't walk around and living in the fucking dust. Next we will be rating water saying it can kill you if you live in it.

[Kalyyn]

I'm no radiologist, so I won't pretend I know the effect of the bullets on humans (other than the intended effect of putting gaping holes in them).

But I do know that if I had a magic bullet that my enemy didn't have, I'd say anything I had to in order to keep using it. Right or wrong, it's kind of hard to blame NATO for trying.

[Fuger]

I'm no radiologist, so I won't pretend I know the effect of the bullets on humans (other than the intended effect of putting gaping holes in them).

But I do know that if I had a magic bullet that my enemy didn't have, I'd say anything I had to in order to keep using it. Right or wrong, it's kind of hard to blame NATO for trying.

They are way to pricey for targeting Humans. The are used to punch through steel and hardened targets.

(Just noticed this is the OP's first Post) Not sure if serious >.>

[Kalyyn]

They are way to pricey for targeting Humans. The are used to punch through steel and hardened targets.

(Just noticed this is the OP's first Post) Not sure if serious >.>

Even better. So it's an bullet that'll go through an armored vehicle, and only America and it's allies can afford it? Yeah, there's no way I'd give that up if I were in charge. I'd come up with bullshit research too.

Also, I think your earlier point is very strong. Anyone being shot at with these is clearly intended to be dead anyway, and who the hell rolls around inside of abandoned military equipment? If it's just a few bullets, I'm guessing you'd have to be really close for a very long time to get cancer.

[PizzaSHARK]

Even better. So it's an bullet that'll go through an armored vehicle, and only America and it's allies can afford it? Yeah, there's no way I'd give that up if I were in charge. I'd come up with bullshit research too.

Also, I think your earlier point is very strong. Anyone being shot at with these is clearly intended to be dead anyway, and who the hell rolls around inside of abandoned military equipment? If it's just a few bullets, I'm guessing you'd have to be really close for a very long time to get cancer.

This is kinda my line of thinking. If you just got shot in the liver, I don't think getting cancer in 10 years is gonna be on your list of priorities.

Likewise if that bullet was instead used to penetrate and detonate the fuel tank on the tank you were riding around in.

[Khalahn]

Unless you enjoy EATING the dust, the radiation exposure from that stuff would barely register above background radiation (which you are exposed to right this second).

[Metallikiddd]

The A-10 Warthog uses those in their twin miniguns. 1000 50cal rounds from each gun will go through tanks like tin foil.

[Elim Garak]

So, we do not care that their sole purpose is to kill people. But we are concerned about other harmful effects of DU munitions?

[Fuger]

The A-10 Warthog uses those in their twin miniguns. 1000 50cal rounds from each gun will go through tanks like tin foil.

Twin Miniguns? It is a 30 cal Vulcan Gatling Cannon. Are you actually talking about the A10 or something else?

[Khalahn]

Twin Miniguns? It is a 30 cal Vulcan Gatling Cannon. Are you actually talking about the A10 or something else?

Some people just don't know the difference...

[Bakis]

Just the other day there was a news report of the children with leukemia in Fallujah rose 10 times.
The war criminals that litter the US Army & NATO forces will always label it as an ammunition with no side effects.

Some reports state it is actually higher than among the children born after Hiroshima..

Wéll as long as no precious american or britt die who cares, right?

[Metallikiddd]

minigun like from predator. 50cal rounds. those things are huge. 30cal vulcan?...ain't that what the apache has?

[Deleted]

There are plenty of countries who use DU ammunition including Russia and China. The problem is not enemies in armored vehicles, noone cares about them, but civilians who will have uran dust in earth after the war is long over. It wouldn't be so great to "free" a country like Iraq and cause tousends childern cancer cases afterwards. So this question is important. Same goes for other weapons, like anti-personnel mine, which kill civilians long after wars are over.

[Elim Garak]

Some people just don't know the difference...

It's all too confusing:

Minigun


Vulcan

[Fuger]

Just the other day there was a news report of the children with leukemia in Fallujah rose 10 times.
The war criminals that litter the US Army & NATO forces will always label it as an ammunition with no side effects.

Some reports state it is actually higher than among the children born after Hiroshima..

Wéll as long as no precious american or britt die who cares, right?

Damn Straight.

---------- Post added 2012-02-14 at 10:58 AM ----------

It's all too confusing:

Minigun


Vulcan

One is just around 6 yards long.

[Meteoric]

Some people just don't know the difference...

Honestly, even after looking it up on Wikipedia right now I'm still not sure I know the difference. I guess "minigun" refers to a specific model of gun, and "gatling" is the general class of weapons with multiple rotating barrels? Or what?

[Fuger]

Honestly, even after looking it up on Wikipedia right now I'm still not sure I know the difference. I guess "minigun" refers to a specific model of gun, and "gatling" is the general class of weapons with multiple rotating barrels? Or what?

MiniGUN

Gatling CANNON

Pretty simple. One STALLS a full size Jet.

---------- Post added 2012-02-14 at 11:02 AM ----------

My bad, it is actually a 30mm gatling cannon.

[Elim Garak]

Honestly, even after looking it up on Wikipedia right now I'm still not sure I know the difference. I guess "minigun" refers to a specific model of gun, and "gatling" is the general class of weapons with multiple rotating barrels? Or what?

Minigun (m134) is model's name. Vulcan (m61) is model's name, Gatling is weapon type (named after inventor). Cannon is weapon class, Gun is weapon class.
Both Minigun and Vulcan are Gatlings. BUT! Minigun is Gatling GUN. Vulcan is Gatling CANNON. Difference is in the caliber.

[Bakis]

The US/ UK traditionally dont care for any sort of collateral damage or side effect in regards of weaponry.
Agent Orange giving birth defects or cancer? Well it is not Kevin in Texas who siffer so who cares.
Children picking up small cluster bombs thinkging it are toys? Well its not Cindy in Iowa who died so who cares.
Children getting cancer from DU ammunition? Well its not Jack in Devon who does so who cares.

Lets talk guns instead, its much more important!