New LFR Rule? Can't roll on worse gear

[Kragragh]

I think one of the main failings of the LFR is that your odds of getting better gear don't improve over time, like they do with a closed raiding group. The random loot drop/token system is fine when the same 10/25 people are gearing up. But the odds on LFR are exactly the same week after week after week.

Why don't they just make it so you can't roll on gear that's below what you're wearing? I'm sick of people in VP gear rolling on LFR tokens "because they can". Seems like an easy and obvious fix.

[Tomana]

Well sometimes you roll on a tier piece because it gives you a 2 or 4 set bonus
This being said, I agree that something like that + a spec detection should be implemented in LFR.

[Aileron]

Except getting your 2 or 4 set from 384 would be an upgrade over the vp gear, not to mention off set loot

[anveena]

So then I just make a set of gear that's of lower item level just so I can roll on legit upgrades. Since you know LFR is a joke in all.

[jmdwolfy161]

Except getting your 2 or 4 set from 384 would be an upgrade over the vp gear, not to mention off set loot

Before a flame war starts, I'll say this - I agree with the set bonuses, okay. However, offset loot, Um no. Just no. This should not be okay. Ever. This is why tanks are not allowed to roll on DPs gear, and it should be the same for all roles, but using this as justification for rolling on the tokens.... You're the root of the problem.

[Kragragh]

Well sometimes you roll on a tier piece because it gives you a 2 or 4 set bonus
This being said, I agree that something like that + a spec detection should be implemented in LFR.

good point - tier tokens excepted then.

[Deleted]

after maybe 5 secs off thinking about what you just wrote i came to the conclusion that people would just put on grey items in whatever slot the boss could drop loot for them. propably because thats what i would do...

[Kombustion]

Then you would have people equipping lower ilvl gear than what they actually have simply to run lfr and gear their o/s or complete a set bonus, bringing down the overall effectiveness of LFR groups, as if it wasn't already a nightmare to begin with.

[Angoth]

I roll need on tokens that either I or anyone I know in the LFR can use (their main or off-spec).

It may suck, but it's the truth.

[bloodwulf]

Before a flame war starts, I'll say this - I agree with the set bonuses, okay. However, offset loot, Um no. Just no. This should not be okay. Ever. This is why tanks are not allowed to roll on DPs gear, and it should be the same for all roles, but using this as justification for rolling on the tokens.... You're the root of the problem.

I doubt this rule would ever come to pass because what would stop someone from switching to a lower quality item just to get chance to roll on the loot.

And there are times when a 384 item is better than a 397. Say trinkets, or items with better itemization. This is a rule that could never be implemented because there are just too many variables...

Higher item level does not always equal a better item.

[Deleted]

I roll need on tokens that either I or anyone I know in the LFR can use (their main or off-spec).

It may suck, but it's the truth.

working as intended

[klaps_05]

personally i think there should be a system like(dps for example):

1) sees how much every DPS failed
2) sees how much dmg every DPS did
3) sees if they have had looted any better item for X slot since the character was created
4) assumes specs differences, haste caps, crit caps, hit caps, etc
5) runs a BiS list for each DPS to see who will benefit the most(including gear in bags/bank)

and then derives a coefficient and automatically distributes the loot. no rolling, no bidding, no ninjaing and selling items. also remove the ability to trade them for 2 hours after looted.

seems like the place to start ^

[arden714]

LFR is not about loot, its Bout giving the casuals a chance to see the story and work put into the raids. If you get a piece of loot that's like a consolation prize. Those hoping to "gear out" on subpar loot are just delusional. Of course its going to take forever. If you want gear, then step up and do real raiding. The gap between lfr loot and raiding loot is just going to get bigger in MOP.

[Elggur]

I doubt this rule would ever come to pass because what would stop someone from switching to a lower quality item just to get chance to roll on the loot.

And there are times when a 384 item is better than a 397. Say trinkets, or items with better itemization. This is a rule that could never be implemented because there are just too many variables...

Higher item level does not always equal a better item.

completely true, my fury war for example has a 403 guth and a 397 axe, yet getting the 390 gurth would still be an upgrade for me over the axe

[Kikiyodragon]

I think that it should check. "Are you wearing a 384 or better piece? No need bonus for you."

[Angoth]

LFR is not about loot, its Bout giving the casuals a chance to see the story and work put into the raids. If you get a piece of loot that's like a consolation prize. Those hoping to "gear out" on subpar loot are just delusional. Of course its going to take forever. If you want gear, then step up and do real raiding. The gap between lfr loot and raiding loot is just going to get bigger in MOP.

Do you really believe that given the history of Blizzard's decisions?

[Deleted]

So lets see. Firelands heroic 391 geared people or even 397/410 geared people are not welcome to LFR?

I do agree that people roll for friends and such, probably not the most fair way, but its legal, and even having someone come roll for you and paying them for the effort is legal, at least last time I checked not long ago.

Secondly it is kinda hilarious that most of these posts come from people who might not have done all the bosses every week, or simply haven't realized that they can re-queue if they see the odds are against them, e.g. too many sharing the Vanquisher Token or to many Strenght DPS in the raid, you can always get the odds on your side, not only by bringing friends etc.

Last but not least, the people that should NOT be able to roll are the ones that are simply bad, joining with green gear/pvp gear, no gems, no enchants, wrong specc and the list goes on. The people "boosting" others in gear or that are in need of a so called "downgrade" in your eyes, are probably top 5 on every boss, and probably do what you're supposed to. I guess most people including me have cut every corner to join LFR with useless gear/gems/enchants, but then I make sure to bring friends who balance it.

And no, I don't hate PvPers or their gear, its just a bad issues with ilevel so easy to obtain that just make you get sick of it, since almost all of those I've seen with it haven't gotten over the average DPS from last expansion, just sad.

[Deleted]

Then don't do LFR and go clean 8/8 nm with a guild
It takes 2h a week, less than what you probably spend in LFR

[jmdwolfy161]

I doubt this rule would ever come to pass because what would stop someone from switching to a lower quality item just to get chance to roll on the loot.

And there are times when a 384 item is better than a 397. Say trinkets, or items with better itemization. This is a rule that could never be implemented because there are just too many variables...


Higher item level does not always equal a better item.

Whats really funny is, you quoted me and everything you wrote had nothing to do with what I said.

[thedingleberry]

personally i think there should be a system like(dps for example):

1) sees how much every DPS failed
2) sees how much dmg every DPS did
3) sees if they have had looted any better item for X slot since the character was created
4) assumes specs differences, haste caps, crit caps, hit caps, etc
5) runs a BiS list for each DPS to see who will benefit the most(including gear in bags/bank)

and then derives a coefficient and automatically distributes the loot. no rolling, no bidding, no ninjaing and selling items. also remove the ability to trade them for 2 hours after looted.

seems like the place to start ^

lol. Good idea in theory Though the amount of datamining that would need to take place for every character on every boss kill would probably crash the instance servers and the data servers that store your character information and previous loot activity.