Unholy blight!!

[Ealyssa]

If you're frost you'll probably pick it over Vile Spew because you don't have a pet up that often / at times where you would be dealing with a lot of AoE. I could even see preferring it as Unholy because it allows more mobile disease spreading. Spew looks awesome for things like blood packs on Madness (just an example).

Vile Spew has a 40y range, dealing damage and spreading the two dots. I can't see how it would not be better than Unholy Blight 10y range in PVE (reDOTing every second on PVP could be good, need more info on defensive dispel) if Blizzard don't add some AoE damage.

With Howling Blast infecting with frost fever Vile Spew seems the nobrainer choice for both DPS PVE specs (and roiling blood for blood tank). Can't see how UHB will fit in PVE (again only if they forget some AOE damage in the tooltip)

[Berri]

Vile Spew has a 40y range, dealing damage and spreading the two dots. I can't see how it would not be better than Unholy Blight 10y range in PVE (reDOTing every second on PVP could be good, need more info on defensive dispel) if Blizzard don't add some AoE damage.

With Howling Blast infecting with frost fever Vile Spew seems the nobrainer choice for both DPS PVE specs (and roiling blood for blood tank). Can't see how UHB will fit in PVE (again only if they forget some AOE damage in the tooltip)

It's just that, essentially, it makes the ghoul an AoE cooldown for frost - you'll want to use it (and let's use madness normal as an example here) every time bloods are up - which is completely realistic given the 3 minute cooldown that your pet has - meaning it fits perfectly in the gap between bloods. I'm pretty excited about that, it's just a little weird to suddenly be using it as such. On the other hand, this is great, because it'll allow frost's ghoul to finally have a very nice added benefit. I really love spew for unholy; my only argument really was that it may be a culture shock for some frost players to have to think as a ghoul as an AoE cool down rather than an added chunk of single-target damage.

Unless they add a damage effect (even if it's very low) to Unholy Blight, I can't see it being useful for anything except PvP (and even that seems questionable) because it would require you being able to keep close to the enemy: nice way of ensuring your diseases stay up while the effect is up, I guess

[Vereesa]

It's just that, essentially, it makes the ghoul an AoE cooldown for frost - you'll want to use it (and let's use madness normal as an example here) every time bloods are up - which is completely realistic given the 3 minute cooldown that your pet has - meaning it fits perfectly in the gap between bloods. I'm pretty excited about that, it's just a little weird to suddenly be using it as such. On the other hand, this is great, because it'll allow frost's ghoul to finally have a very nice added benefit. I really love spew for unholy; my only argument really was that it may be a culture shock for some frost players to have to think as a ghoul as an AoE cool down rather than an added chunk of single-target damage.

Well, any half-decent DK will always wait 'til the last seconds of the ghoul's duration to blow it up. That way it remains a good single target damage CD as well.

Unless they add a damage effect (even if it's very low) to Unholy Blight, I can't see it being useful for anything except PvP (and even that seems questionable) because it would require you being able to keep close to the enemy: nice way of ensuring your diseases stay up while the effect is up, I guess

I'm gonna assume the stinging the insects do will also deal minor damage.

[Ealyssa]

Well, any half-decent DK will always wait 'til the last seconds of the ghoul's duration to blow it up. That way it remains a good single target damage CD as well.

Reading the tooltip imo it doesn't sacrifice the goul. It's a spew, not an explosion.

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lol naive deathknights thinking soul reaper will stay this way hahahah

[hasslehoof]

I refuse to play frost with a 1.5s gcd and without 15% increased speed. Time to reroll me thinks!

[Bisque]

I do hope the "stinging" part of UH blight means that it would so some additional damage-obviously no where near to what the original UH blight did way back in Wrath, but a few ticks, etc would be nice

[McFrotton]

I'm mostly looking forward to Soul Reaper. The Unholy Blight isn't the old one, it simply puts up dots as far as I can tell.

Hold one was an aoe centered on you, now it only applies aoe FF and BF

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Excited for the return of UHB. However not sure if FP will over take UHP as we lose the 15% damage buff that it currently has (since Frost dks spec in to improved FP most of the time if they don't is 10%), though the 100% increased RP gen may counter that. Not sure yet could go either way IMO.

Maybe we lose 15% but we didnt had 15% dmg increase in unholy either, AND 100% RP generation rate is going to be nerf imagine the burst stack mastery.....get Ffrost stike crit Burst dmg wil be crazy.

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The point is that it'll only do 50% weapon damage. Your Death Runes above 35% are much better spent on anything else.

there is a delayed 46k dmg that is the base dmg before the AP scaling.

[Razorice]

Unholy Blight does seem quite nice. Soul Reaper seems quite OP atm. if we get 50% haste for 5 seconds and the cooldown is 6 seconds its almost permanent 50% haste increase. I can see how Soul Reper will be part of our "priority" next expansion if they don't change it. I think this makes a DK a bit more fun to play!

[McFrotton]

Nothing. It "just" inflicts targets with Frost Fever and Blood Plague once each second over 10 seconds on a 90s CD.

Not sure if I like it.

I think its just a kind of disease spreader, nothing more.

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Cant wait to get UB back, was one of my fav talents back in wrath.

[McFrotton]

Unholy Blight does seem quite nice. Soul Reaper seems quite OP atm. if we get 50% haste for 5 seconds and the cooldown is 6 seconds its almost permanent 50% haste increase. I can see how Soul Reper will be part of our "priority" next expansion if they don't change it. I think this makes a DK a bit more fun to play!

It will be a 50% haste boost only on trash mob and pvp, DO you oftne kill boss in 5 sec to kill it again an d again an again ......no so the 50% buff will apply more in pvp situation, or adds situation and only for a biref moment.

[Razorice]

It will be a 50% haste boost only on trash mob and pvp, DO you oftne kill boss in 5 sec to kill it again an d again an again ......no so the 50% buff will apply more in pvp situation, or adds situation and only for a biref moment.

Ah yes, Sorry I have misread the info about the ability. such a noob

[Mesovr]

lol naive deathknights thinking soul reaper will stay this way hahahah

Chances are it will. The mechanics itself are decent enough only the dmg after the soul reaper times out is very possible to change.

[Vereesa]

lol naive deathknights thinking soul reaper will stay this way hahahah

I don't really know why it shouldn't. The damage on the tooltip is obviously wrong, but other than that -mechanics wise- it's a good ability.

[Nyanmaru]

I'd imagine it'll deal some damage, otherwise there isn't much reason to pick it over the other options.

One makes blood boil = pestilence, the other makes your ghoul explosively vomit and then there's the new Unholy Blight that applies your diseases without Pestilence penalty. It does damage by not halfing your disease damage. Still, can't say I'm exactly hyped about these talents.

[Darkagial]

fuck that have you guys seen Gorefiend's Grasp? omg omg omg im so gonna hit all them fucking priests and pay them back for the fucking lifegrips...

[Beefkow]

I just have a feeling soul reaper is gonna get nerfed, looks pretty op at a prospective from cata but then again you can only learn this ability at lvl 87 and i bet people are gonna have 400k+ hp during mop and of course resilience will fix it.

[CookieEater]

Soul Reaper + Remorseless Winter = Lich King. Because there must always be one. Or a million :P

[Soisoisoi]

Also, Frost Presence increases Runic Power regeneration by 100%, which implies Frost's probably gonna go back to FP.

I seriously hope we don't go back to using Frost Presence. The reason I love Frost is because of the speed I get to play at. :|