Gearing my DK tank to do H Yorsahj for my guild, need some advice

[Bryce]

We're working on heroics right now and I've almost got my DK up to the point of tanking H Yorsahj since it's basically faceroll with one. How geared do you think I'll need to get him to do this on 10m though? He's 384ilvl right now. Should have his 4pc set sunday night. Do you think I'm almost ready to do H Yorsahj with him or no way in hell til I'm 393ilvl or something?

My armory: Can't post links yet, my character's name is Gålook on US-Nazgrel - The Ruthless Uprising (alt code is alt-134).

Next week on reset, I'll have the blue trinket replaced with a fire of the deep trinket and if my helm token drops Sunday off warmaster I'll have my 4pc and rid of that blue helm. But is my dodge/parry/mastery and spec ok for H Yorsahj once I get those things taken care of?

[Cerunnir]

I did it with 386 on my DK, but it highly depend on your healers. The worse your healers are, the higher your item level must be.

[Deleted]

I was in the same situation with you, I had to reroll my prot pala to a blood dk. For yor hc I prefer to go for stamina. I actualy tanked it with gurthalak+rune of fallen crusader and this spec for some added dps (mmo talent calculator, add this in the end since I cant post links #k=YfWhZRSI1.bqj.deathknight.u4Tum)

Also the Tol Barad trinket helps a ton if you can get your hands on it. Most of the damage comes from void bolts, and the best way negating the damage is either stacking stamina for bigger AMS and/or getting Mirror of Broken Images.

edit. Also a good tip to know is that the manavoid can be death gribbed.

[Basso]

edit. Also a good tip to know is that the manavoid can be death gribbed.

Are you sure ?
i tried it one time at non hc at the manavoid was immune......

[Deleted]

They fixed the manavoid issue. I will look into your armory in a second!

[Yeren]

I will be honest with you here, i Tanked it in full DPS gear last night apart from the 4 set tanking bonus, i dont take much damage at all, only time is when i get to 4 stacks of Void blot which is when i pop AMS, i think i logged out in full tanking gear so shouldnt really link my armory i got ranked 34th on the fight from WoL and done i think 27k DPS,

I didnt know abo9ut the DG of the mana void which is very interesting and will come in very handy for our Melee for a short burst but you can look at my DK by clicking the signiture thingy and selecting Darren. i really wouldnt worry too much about having any tanking gear for this, you can probably do it in full dps gear which i will trying next week but my guild seem to like my 4 set bonus on the tanking set

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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...5look/advanced linky for everyone else of the OP armory

[Deleted]

Looks pretty decent. Try to avoid using DPS gear with reforges as tank. There should be nice replacements in the HoT Heroics. Ignore the Expertise and Hit ratings for now and go flatout Mastery. Only go for damage/threat when you feel your mitigation is fine. Furthermore keep gemming into socket bonus and try to replace the PvP belt because that is kinda, meh. A blue belt is beter.

[Deleted]

Sorry to steal your thread, but it's pretty related. How much of a difference does it make using a Blood DK to say, a Prot Warrior?

[Yeren]

with regards to your blue trinket being replaced with fire of the deep, maybe save the VP for the cloak and famr HoT for the veil of lies the stamina trinket from the last boss, benedictus or something like that.

also do LFR as tank and try and get the trinkets and drops from there, they may only be a slight upgrade but its an upgrade none the least

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Sorry to steal your thread, but it's pretty related. How much of a difference does it make using a Blood DK to say, a Prot Warrior?

AFAIK when we tried it with out prot warroir, who was better geared than i at the time, he coudnt solo tank it, i dont know if it is possible or not, but as soon as i went in to tank we 2 shotted the fight whilst i took the first fight to learn what was going on

[bigbad]

I did yorsahj25 HC on my alt dk 390 itemlvl instead of my warrior 396 itemlvl and it was way easier with the dk. Having lfr gear with crafted BS bracers and vp neck/cloak/belt/ring should be enough to tank it.

[Cerunnir]

I did it with 386 on my DK, but it highly depend on your healers. The worse your healers are, the higher your item level must be.

[flashur]

You're pretty low on stam for this fight. I'd use SSG instead of Swordshattering. In fact I'd use that anyway regardless of HP.

[Mammoth]

I solo tanked it yesterday and my average ilvl was only 377, which included some dps plate and no set bonuses. DK tanks seems to have a much easier time of it than our warrior tanks.


Discussing runeforges:

I'm not completely convinced that 2% stam on SSG is better than 4% parry on Swordshattering, but everyone keeps insisting that the unavoidable damage is high so the stam is better for blood shielding. My question is: why don't we use the Spellshattering runeforge to reduce spell damage by 4%?

[Deleted]

Character Audit

3 unenchanted items
Missing Ebonsteel Belt Buckle

OP you really should fix these issues. Without the helmt and shoulder enchant you're missing out on 165 Stamina and 60 Dodge, which is also further compounded by the fact that you don't have any professions atm. Even having Mining maxed atm would be helpful for you atm if you're doing Progression content.

So obviously you need to farm up Earthen Ring and Therazane rep to get them to Revered and Exalted respectively, so go farm the new Heroics until you drop so that you can get the tanking helmet from Well of Eternity and the trinket from Hour of Twilight. Then there's also the tanking belt from End Time which would be much better than the PVP belt you have on atm.

Admittedly fixing all of this stuff isn't gonna guarantee you a kill any time soon, but its gonna make life just a bit easier on you and your healers. Heck make it easier on yourself, get a guild group and spam those Heroics until you get everything you need. Every little helps when you're pushing progression.

Also change your glyphs on your Blood Spec, you've still got ones for Unholy in there. While you're at it change your spec slightly - you do not need points in Endless Winter at all.

[Deleted]

yorsahj doesn't hit very hard, only the void bolt at 5+ stacks is what will kill you as a tank (and maybe some magical damage from the red/yellow bolt).

you should gem/enchant for stamina, and get swap out avoidance trinkets in favour of stamina if possible, or mastery if not. Even DPS trinkets are probably better here than throngus' finger.

Ideally if you have the Mirror of Broken Images, you can use that too.

All you will want to do is just stay on the boss and build a blood shield while he is summoning the blobs. His melee should not get through your shields for the entire non-summoning phase.

1-3 stacks you are fine to DS alone
4-6 Would recommend using a small cooldown (personally i use AMS here)
6-8 use TB trinket

I use Vampiric blood liberally. Keep your pet out (or summon him) if you think you have a bad combination for your group. I save IBF for Black/Red/Yellow or if I dip super low.

[Bryce]

I'm aware of the helm/shoulder enchant issue. Working on that. I've been farming End Time, WoE and HoT for those upgrades all week as well. Last night EVERY upgrade I needed dropped, but did I win ANYTHING? Nope.

I'm not a bad tank, which is why I was asking if I should even attempt doing it kinda undergeared. My healers are fine in the raid, at least I think they are.

[Lyon]

As someone mentioned before, professions are really helpful with the stat bonuses.

The following is a summary of my experience when I first tanked H Yor'sahj on my DK. Some of the information is a bit redundant (other people have posted it):

I used a mastery elixir + prismatic elixir for the fight + mastery food.

When I first tanked it on my DK (switch from prot pally), I used Enchant Cloak: Shadow Resistance (drops in ICC), and since I'm a leatherworker on my DK I enchanted my bracers with shadow resistance too (only for leatherworkers). I used Spellshattering as my runeforge. This might be overkill but I wasn't very geared, so I was playing it on the safe side. I didn't have the Mirror of Broken Images at the time, but if you can get your hands on it, it's amazing on this fight.

Stamina trinkets are nice for this. See if you can get the stam trinket from the last boss in HoT, or Soulshifter Vortex from LFR. Varo'then's Brooch is also good from WoE for the mastery proc. I used Soulshifter + Varo'then's Brooch.

I gemmed mostly full mastery, but I went for stamina socket bonuses, and put in stamina gems on blue sockets. If you have the gold, maybe try to get some epic gems.

You can keep up your bloodshield for almost the entire fight, so physical damage isn't a problem, the rest of it is just how you use your CDs. I used Vampiric Blood at 3 stacks of Void Bolt, AMS at 5 stacks, right as the 6th stack was being applied and I didn't have any issues with survival. Use blood tap on CD, rune tap as you see fit, keep bone shield up (the uptime on this will be really high). I saved Ice Bound Fortitude for Red-Black-Yellow combination; in that scenario, I used vampiric blood at 2 stacks, AMS at 4 stacks, IBF at 5 stacks and it lasted me through the 6th stack. Idk if it's rng or what, but I've never gotten more than 6 stacks, and sometimes I would only get 5 stacks. I just used DRW liberally. Stay on the boss when slimes are being summoned to build up bloodshield. When adds appear on a black ooze, pestilence your diseases for a bit of damage + help reduce the damage they are doing to the raid. If you think a high damage phase is coming, or it looks like your runes won't be back up to heal yourself with death strikes or something, summon your pet and be ready to sacrifice him.

I was shocked at how easy it was cause we one shot the fight that week. Kind of pissed me off cause we worked so hard with my pally tanking, and then basically facerolled with my DK. And I'm generally a terrible player for what it's worth, so I wouldn't worry too much about this fight as a blood DK :P .

Hope this helps.

[Yeren]

I'm not a bad tank, which is why I was asking if I should even attempt doing it kinda undergeared. My healers are fine in the raid, at least I think they are.

Go for it, you will see after 4-5 attempts if you can do it, like i said before on the void bolts, when you hit 4 stacks pop AMS and you will be fine, he tickles you rather than hitting you hard

[Bryce]

OMG, viel of lies doesn't exist I think for my dk -_-. It will not drop. Same for the belt out of end time to replace this pvp belt. Should i go buy a 359 belt for it with JP?

[SSHA778]

I'm not completely convinced that 2% stam on SSG is better than 4% parry on Swordshattering, but everyone keeps insisting that the unavoidable damage is high so the stam is better for blood shielding. My question is: why don't we use the Spellshattering runeforge to reduce spell damage by 4%?

Because they're telling you to use the wrong runeforge.

For Yor'sahj:
Spellshattering > Stoneskin (stamina) > Swordshattering (with decent mastery you can ignore melee hits)

For anything else, I've got several lengthy posts telling you which you might want to use:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post15402160
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post15385716