Help warmaster 10 heroic

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To start off with what setup we use;
tanks: B-dk, pally
Healer: H-pala, R-druid
R-dps: Spriest, Destrolock, Eleshaman (his OS), F-mage
M-dps: C-Rogue, UH-dk

Atm we are kinda working on how to soak things in the best way. We've been using 1 person to soak 3 onslaughts (#1,4,5) full group on 2,3.
Using 2-3 people to soak the small ones etc.
In my PoV the dps is running a bit low, we have about 2 people under 25k dps (one of them is the ele shaman who's in OS)

Any tips on how we can improve soaking and p2 transitions would be most appreciated!

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Are you killing every set of drakes before the leave and every set of melee adds before the next land? If so then your DPS is fine, if not then you need to improve it. Combat rogue should generally be on top of the meters as he should be cleaving the crap out of those melee adds. You can have tanks and melee DPS help on drakes but it shouldn't be required with 4 ranged.

For soaking there are a million ways to do it. I've heard of guilds doing it in a lot of different ways and all I can tell you is what did and didn't work for us:

We tried using 1-2 people to soak Onslaughts but stopped since the damage it does to the ship felt too high to be worth it. We ended up with having 7-9 people in each Onslaught and using a raid cooldown for each (AMZ from Unholy DK is godly here). The person who always stayed out was the F-mage, it was her job to blink around the room during Onslaught and soak that one pesky Barrage that nobody else can get to while we stack.

For Barrages we tried dividing the room into 4 parts and assigning people to each part, we also tried free for all. The former felt too restricted and the later too uncoordinated. We ended up splitting the room into 3 parts and giving rough assignments for 3 people to watch each part. I mean very rough assignments, as soon as fire comes out we often ignore them altogether but it's good to have a general goal in mind as to which area you wanna soak in.

We also tried 2-3 people per Barrage but that worked horribly for us because we'd constantly have miscommunication where one person is in it expecting someone else to go in too but they wouldn't and the one person would die. Or someone else would go in at the last second right as that one person left and then the 2nd person would die. What we ended up doing was solo soaking Barrages. Basically anyone with a cooldown capable of solo soaking does it as often as possible. If you see someone already in a Barrage then you don't go into it. You never enter a Barrage without a cooldown. Everybody in your raid except the Ele Sham and R Druid can solo soak a Barrage, even the Druid might be able to with Barkskin but it's a bit iffy.

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Let your blood DK run around the whole phase 1 soaking as many as he can. Your UH DK should help alot in that aswell. Should save the ship some damage, prot pally solo tank and soak when he feels like hes safe (Never let him take onslaughts tho).
For the rest what above post states, 1 person soaking onslaught gives the ship alot of damage.
Rotate raid walls, aim for 4 onslaughts.

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is there a reason your warlock is destro? aff outperforms both specs by quite a bit on that fight

Bane of Havok on Gariona as she flies past at the start makes the transition into P2 much faster.

Affli will still do more DPS overall but if you don't need that extra DPS in P1 and do need the extra DPS for transition its viable imo.

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I still don't understand why people think they need to solo soak Onslaught. That is so much unnecessary ship damage. Also, if you guys are taking a 5th Onslaught that means at least 1 set of drakes is getting away which means dps is low which means more unnecessary ship damage.

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1st Onslaught is coming together with barrages from the 1st set of dragons, so we are soloing it with SP and trying to soak as many little ones as possible. With no fire on the ship and less stressful damage required on the first adds (assuming your range dot them at pull) it is quite easy.
Solo soak Onslaught is 600k to the ship, group soak is ~120-150k, and missed barrage is 420k. If you miss single barrage in exchange of group soaking Onslaught, you don't gain anything but have to heal group damage.
If you solo take first Onlaught and absorb every single little barage from the first wave, your ship will get 10% (Onlaught)+18%(Broadside) damage, which is just enough to spawn fire. If you manage to take couple of barrages from the second wave as well, the 50% fire will not come until after the second Onslaught and firefighters will already remove most of the 1st fire - thus fire problem will be gone.
We would ignore all barrages after this point and hero on the 3rd set of adds

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thanks for all the response so far, hopefully this will help us a bit

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1st Onslaught is coming together with barrages from the 1st set of dragons, so we are soloing it with SP and trying to soak as many little ones as possible. With no fire on the ship and less stressful damage required on the first adds (assuming your range dot them at pull) it is quite easy.
Solo soak Onslaught is 600k to the ship, group soak is ~120-150k, and missed barrage is 420k. If you miss single barrage in exchange of group soaking Onslaught, you don't gain anything but have to heal group damage.
If you solo take first Onlaught and absorb every single little barage from the first wave, your ship will get 10% (Onlaught)+18%(Broadside) damage, which is just enough to spawn fire. If you manage to take couple of barrages from the second wave as well, the 50% fire will not come until after the second Onslaught and firefighters will already remove most of the 1st fire - thus fire problem will be gone.
We would ignore all barrages after this point and hero on the 3rd set of adds

It's not impossible to solo-soak Onslaughts, you can certainly do it some groups just find it unnecessary. For example you can soak it with 7-8 people and have the other 2 soak the 2 Barrages out of it. A mage with blink and pally with sprint can cover the entire ship between them.

In any case, do what works for you. There are many different strats and all are viable, so long as you get to phase 2 then it works. You then have a difficulty transition but once the dragon lands and everything settles down the fight is pretty much over.

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There's already a thread on this fight which has the answers you are looking for, and if you have additional questions post them there.