http://www.wowpedia.org/Theresa ). Apparently that's less offensive than a flirting panda.
What ever happened to priorities?
the dialogue was definitely not explicitly sexist. however it can be (and was) associated with a certain kind of sexism. don't get me wrong, even if it was sexism (we don't know the particular intent of the development team) it was a watered down, vague kind of objectification, the kind of attitude that would be absolutely fine in a situation where the parties are on an equal footing. I think it was this association with the wolf-whistling or arse-grabbing that some women are subject too that probably lead the original poster to make her complaint, and rather than have anyone else make this same association Blizzard changed it, because it definitely wasn't a cornerstone of the guys character development.
I thought the line seemed a little lech-ey, but thats called having character in an npc, sylvanas is full on crazy and as a person i really dislike her for what she does- but that makes her all the more engaging a character. i dont think they should have changed it i think Ji is meant to be a little bit of a dick that way. Not as much as gallywix, but still just kind of off putting self assured with the flaws in his character.
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My reaction to hearing that someone feels their playtime is undervalued or their gender is marginalized because their character is called gorgeous was: "...what?"
And if it were Blizzard deciding of their own accord it was a poorly-worded line, why have they kept in the part where Garrosh calls Sylvanas a bitch ? Use of a derogatory term against women, vs compliment a woman's appearance. Are you trying to tell me no one had a problem with the word bitch appearing in the game as an insult towards a female character ?
Really, think about the differences there. One is directed at an npc, one at a player character. I think the problem here is that folks who felt the line was out of place are confounding the difference between characters and players. Basically I think the original author took it as being a comment from Blizzard, rather than Ji, toward her, rather than her character. Because otherwise, why isn't it offensive that male characters are reduced to being a bag of muscles, as tho they don't have a brain or a face ?
have been away hanging up washing and thinking about this whole thing, and I have a question
the overriding sentiment here seems to be that:
a) it's not sexist
b) sexism towards men is not given the same level of gravity
c) we don't want bland, homogenised characterisation in the interests of equality
so how do you procede? the problem I see here is that women do suffer from a certain level of institutionalised oppression, I think we can all agree on that (the extent of which we won't agree on, but that's for another thread). in other words, there is not equality in the world. if we can agree on that, then exactly how do we proceed? if we will not accept a clampdown on all forms of gender stereotyping (women; beauty, men; strength) and an overall homogenisation, are we asking for a paradigm in which we stereotype wildly and promote imbalance?
a women objected to this because she found it to be sexist, the argument seems to be that it's not sexist, and even if it was it's okay because there is female chauvanism ingame also. are we asking women to accept all forms of sexism?
Pretty irritated at that chick who got it removed.
She's giving all of us regular dames who are cool with NPCs having a personality a bad name.
I find people telling me what I SHOULD find offensive and treating me like I'm too goddamn stupid to make that decision myself FAR more offensive than anything a fictional character in a video game could say. I liked Ji the way he was, it gave him a 'spark' that he's missing now.
So, the original objector finds all those things to be acceptable, but does not find her character being called gorgeous by another character acceptable ?
Who cares if only a relatively small number of people were offended? Offending anyone is to be avoided.
You are all just complaining for the sake of complaining, the new version doesn't offend you, if it had been the original text you wouldn't have been offended by it in any way.
You can be free not to be offended by whatever you like but there is no disadvantage to changing some text if some people find it rude.
Garrosh calling Sylvanas a bitch ? Gone. References to Thrall being a slave ? Gone. Most /flirt emotes ? Gone. Many of the /silly emotes. And that's just what came off the top of my head in five seconds.
I don't know about all the other ladies here, but I for one love it when my man tells me I'm beautiful/gorgeous/pretty. I don't see how "gorgeous" is an offensive term. I wouldn't be offended by it at all. I'm sure I'll get some kind of "you must be a brainwashed female controlled by a male society" but whatever, I know me and what I'm like. Just don't understand how "gorgeous" is bad now.