What will happen to regular WZs once rated arrive?

[Alilei32]

Once rated WZs are put in game does that leave the PuGer shit out of luck? Instead of maybe having one premade as part of your team that helps you win now its just gonna be all fails in every WZ? Or instead of the failure that rated BGs in WoW were will you be able to queue for rateds solo?

[CrunkJuice5]

i think rated warzones are going to flop

but meh,i dont really like the sound of gw2's dodge system.so i guess im stuck with the garbage they call pvp in this game

Constructive criticism is fine. Game bashing is not.

[inboundpaper]

I would assume they would be a stepping stone to get gear for rated Wz's, you do still need BM pieces to buy War Hero gear.

[Alvito]

It really depends on what they do as far as letting ppl queue solo and how rating points are awarded. Everything I heard about what they had set up was anybody could queue and it was more or less a normal wz with better rewards and more stats involved. If they let ppl pug or solo queue and dont have requirements then everybody will just do ranked matches and the old version will only be used by lvl 10 to 49 toons. On that same note this is one of the reasons supposedly it was held back. You cant have a successful system if somebody with no or a very low ranking can be groups with ppl several hundred or even a thousand point gap.

There used to be a video on their site it was one of the old podcast interviews they did of devs and it shows one of them talking about how they almost didn't put pvp into the game because they didn't understand how important it was to players. There is still some carry over of this now. I don't think they understand how pvp can or cannot work and why ppl do or don't play, as a result some bad things have happened. I know I personally really enjoyed the rated bgs in the 2nd season on WoW and I looking forward to ranked wz in SWTOR i just hope they dont completely miss the mark or miss it so bad its screwed up permanently.

[Deleted]

It really depends on what they do as far as letting ppl queue solo and how rating points are awarded. Everything I heard about what they had set up was anybody could queue and it was more or less a normal wz with better rewards and more stats involved. If they let ppl pug or solo queue and dont have requirements then everybody will just do ranked matches and the old version will only be used by lvl 10 to 49 toons. On that same note this is one of the reasons supposedly it was held back. You cant have a successful system if somebody with no or a very low ranking can be groups with ppl several hundred or even a thousand point gap.

There used to be a video on their site it was one of the old podcast interviews they did of devs and it shows one of them talking about how they almost didn't put pvp into the game because they didn't understand how important it was to players. There is still some carry over of this now. I don't think they understand how pvp can or cannot work and why ppl do or don't play, as a result some bad things have happened. I know I personally really enjoyed the rated bgs in the 2nd season on WoW and I looking forward to ranked wz in SWTOR i just hope they dont completely miss the mark or miss it so bad its screwed up permanently.

People will pug / solo queue ranked WZ at the beginning. But after being tired of being destroyed by teams and premades, they'll come back to the regular WZs. So what i expect is:

1/ when the rated WZ are deployed, everyone sticks to them to try them because they're new and the shiny gear is tempting
2/ Things will get back to a more competitive environment of teams and various premade when Pugs will realize they have a very low probability of suceeding in this environment.

[Deleted]

Once rated WZs are put in game does that leave the PuGer shit out of luck? Instead of maybe having one premade as part of your team that helps you win now its just gonna be all fails in every WZ? Or instead of the failure that rated BGs in WoW were will you be able to queue for rateds solo?

As I understood it:
¤ You can queue as solo to work on your personal ranking in rated warzones
¤ You can queue in group to work on your teams ranking in rated warzones

[Capt Froggy]

I believe rated wz are level 50 only, so 10-49 will be the same, solos, premades getting ready for rated wz.

[Christoffer1989]

I hope they will have some Valor rank req for Rater + that you will only earn rater commendation or something like that in rated, so you still need to do normal for gear

[Raeli]

Well on Niman, playing warzones is almost like how it's going to be in Rated anyway - The Empire always queue in groups of 4, it's not uncommon to come up against two premades in the same team, which is always loads of fun.

So on Niman, it's not really going to change. Well, unless Server Transfers come before then, in which case I imagine the server will literally have no one on it - it's already dead, but with transfers, no one in their right mind is going to stay there.

[Fannyd]

Niman really needs a shot in the arm...
WTB server mergers.

[Deleted]

looking forward for rated; can't wait any longer

[Deleted]

People will pug / solo queue ranked WZ at the beginning. But after being tired of being destroyed by teams and premades, they'll come back to the regular WZs. So what i expect is:

1/ when the rated WZ are deployed, everyone sticks to them to try them because they're new and the shiny gear is tempting
2/ Things will get back to a more competitive environment of teams and various premade when Pugs will realize they have a very low probability of suceeding in this environment.

Exactly this. Even it it tempting to play solo rated WZ for the new gear, people will find out that this feature is mostly for the hardcore PvPers and would go back to normal WZ. Is the same as WoW, how many are doing arenas or rated bgs anymore if they are not hardcore PvPers? People that just want to PvP queue for normal bg to have fun and enjoy some random killing without the drama and pressure of the elitist

[Rhonen]

i think rated warzones are going to flop

but meh,i dont really like the sound of gw2's dodge system.so i guess im stuck with the garbage they call pvp in this game

You don't have to play something you consider garbage. Your not "stuck" with anything. Do you just feel cooler saying that, or what? You proud of that? Seriously, just go away...we don't need you.

[Dakia]

People will pug / solo queue ranked WZ at the beginning. But after being tired of being destroyed by teams and premades, they'll come back to the regular WZs. So what i expect is:

1/ when the rated WZ are deployed, everyone sticks to them to try them because they're new and the shiny gear is tempting
2/ Things will get back to a more competitive environment of teams and various premade when Pugs will realize they have a very low probability of suceeding in this environment.

That is pretty much what I agree on.

Initially, people will solo queue it and pug it trying to get their comms. However, once they end up going against full pre-mades with properly formed strategies and rosters, participation will drop to pretty much only full premades. Properly coordinated three healer teams are going to be impossible to kill for anyone who doesn't have voice.

[Fannyd]

The way I understand it, you will get premade vs. premade and solo-q vs. solo-q...

[Ambreene]

If they put in rated warzones without having cross-server matching, it'll kill pvp on small servers.

http://www.swtor.com/blog/pvp-game-update-1.2

The Ranked Warzone matchmaking system will match full groups of eight against one another, solo players against one another, players with similar ratings, etc. However, in order to ensure that players won’t have to wait too long for a match to occur, the system will become more ‘flexible’ over time. Solo and group queued players might be pulled together after a while if needed to launch a match. If a match cannot be made for extended periods of time, then Normal and Rank queued players (except those who queued as a group of five or more) might be pulled together to launch a ‘mixed’ match. Players will always be notified when a mixed match is made on the Warzone enter prompt. The rewards received in mixed matches will be based on how the player queued (type of commendations, rating adjustment if any, etc.).

So yeah, under the current plan you could solo queue for a normal warzone, and still get put up against an 8-man rated premade.

[Karazee]

It won't be any different than WoW's pug battlegrounds. You'll have a mixtures of baddies, casuals, and good players on mains or alts, all of them trying to gear up.

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If they put in rated warzones without having cross-server matching, it'll kill pvp on small servers.

http://www.swtor.com/blog/pvp-game-update-1.2

So yeah, under the current plan you could solo queue for a normal warzone, and still get put up against an 8-man rated premade.

I would bet good money that's exactly why they scrapped Rated Warzones from the last patch. They knew that they didn't have cross-server matching ready yet and realized if they put in the Rateds without cross-server, it's going to be a debacle on small and medium servers. They also want to solve the "mixed" match issue from your quote - they know no pug wants to queue or play against a premade.

Basically, I'll guarantee you that Bioware realized Rated warzones will not work without cross server matching.

[Kelimbror]

Basically, I'll guarantee you that Bioware realized Rated warzones will not work without cross server matching.

I am inclined to agree as well. It seems more like a job that got retasked to programming to be implemented with the FP queue system for the next patch.

[Deleted]

I am inclined to agree as well. It seems more like a job that got retasked to programming to be implemented with the FP queue system for the next patch.

Indeed. Not only that, they said only 8v8 ranked will be available first - solo ranked will have to wait

[Alilei32]

As I understood it:
¤ You can queue as solo to work on your personal ranking in rated warzones
¤ You can queue in group to work on your teams ranking in rated warzones

OK that sounds cool. I just hate WoW's system. I want to do rated BGs but everyone demands you already have rated gear which is impossible to get without doing anything rated or a previous rating which again impossible to get if no one gives you a chance. Catch 22s have no place in games and are retarded.