Dwarves are EVIL.

[ijffdrie]

I know I am really, really late with this, but I was thinking a bit about vanilla and faction balance, when I realized something: Dwarves are the most aggressive overly-obsessed dicks in the world.

Let's take a look at their actions in the barrens. Despite there being a peace agreement between the horde and the alliance, the dwarves move into Barrens and blow up a random tauren village, massacring most of the stonespire clan and destroying their holy sites. And for what? Because the dwarves wanted to do an archeology survey.

And its not just the barrens either. When the discovered only the slightest hint of some titan artifacts, the dwarves actually invaded Mulgore itself, blowing a hole into a mountain and attacking any Tauren who would approach the digsite.

Tales of dwarven atrocities are not just limited to Kalimdor either. The biggest atrocity committed by the dwarves is probably their attack on alterac valley, the current homelands of the frostwolf tribe. Despite the dwarves having no claim to the valley, Ironforge has decreed a "sovereign imperialistic imperative" to take the valley for ores and titan relics. Despite the stormpike guard arriving with explicit intent to slaughter every single member of the frostwolf tribe, they are now claiming that they were merely peaceful explorers and that the orcs are merely mindless savages who attacked the dwarves because of their warlike nature.

And it isn't just the horde that has suffered at the hands of the savage ironforge dwarves, but also their fellow allies. When the dwarves helped rebuild stormwind, supposedly for altruistic reasons, they claimed a portion of the city for themselves, dubbed 'the dwarven district', establishing a supply line between the district and ironforge, no doubt waiting for the opportunity to declare a "sovereign imperialistic imperative". But the biggest horror caused by the dwarves was probably when they opened up the ancients vaults of Uldaman, releasing a horde of troggs that would eventually invade Gnomeregan, killing most of the gnomish race.

And, it's not really changed since Vanilla either. Dwarves are notably racist against tauren, blood elves, high elves, orcs, goblins and trolls. General Twinbraids slaughters a civilian mining operation in the barrens solely because they happen to have the same race as the saboteur who blew up Bael Modan. In addition, Moira's backstory strongly implies that the dwarves are heavily sexist as well, a fact which is backed up by almost all notable dwarves being male (even when compared to the other sausage-fest nations).

In conclusions: Dwarves are EVIL. They attack nations who they have a peace agreement with, are racists, sexists and warmongers, use the suffering of their allies for their own advancement and their recklessness has resulted in the deaths of most of the gnomish race. EVIIIIIIIL!

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Thanks for the lore.

Please post constructively

[Firecrest]

Dwarves are notably racist against tauren, blood elves, high elves, orcs, goblins and trolls.

Newsflash: An Ally race hates the Horde.

Really all you've got here is an Ally race doing bad things to the Horde. This is not unique. Your examples of Dwarven maliciousness against Ally are weak and odd ("onoes, please don't help us rebuild our city, Mr.Dwarf, that's so mean").

Anyways, good lore but odd conclusion, since there are plenty of examples of every single race doing bad things to other races.

I guess they're all evil.

[ijffdrie]

Newsflash: An Ally race hates the Horde.

Really all you've got here is an Ally race doing bad things to the Horde. This is not unique. Your examples of Dwarven maliciousness against Ally are weak and odd ("onoes, please don't help us rebuild our city, Mr.Dwarf, that's so mean").

Anyways, good lore but odd conclusion, since there are plenty of examples of every single race doing bad things to other races.

I guess they're all evil.

It's more that the dwarves attack the tauren, a race that never did anything against them, during peacetime, to recover archeological evidence. If the dwarves had done all this against any orcish tribe other than the frostwolf, it would still have been questionable, but at least understandable. This is equivalent the draenei attacking the revantusk during TBC because they wanted some nice beachfront property.

Also, the thread is mostly meant jokingly, as I sincerely doubt that the dwarves were actually ever intended to be evil. The fact that they did so much questionable stuff without ever being called upon it by any ally is probably something that no one ever noticed (and the stormwind thing is completely a joke, though its still a bit weird that the dwarves decided to build a quarter for themselves).

[Finn mac cool]

It's more that the dwarves attack the tauren, a race that never did anything against them, during peacetime, to recover archeological evidence. If the dwarves had done all this against any orcish tribe other than the frostwolf, it would still have been questionable, but at least understandable. This is equivalent the draenei attacking the revantusk during TBC because they wanted some nice beachfront property.

Also, the thread is mostly meant jokingly, as I sincerely doubt that the dwarves were actually ever intended to be evil. However, as I was writing, I realized that they actually did consistently do some pretty questionable stuff, though I still dismiss it as a funny little note. If the thread was meant wholly serious, it'd probably be a long, boring diatribe about the political history behind the alterac mountains and southern barrens and there would be no mention of stormwind.

Cows are food, I don't see why anyone should care. Seriously I would probably eat a Tauren.

[Verdugo]

Cows are food, I don't see why anyone should care. Seriously I would probably eat a Tauren.

Is this the "love and tolerate" philosophy that people like you preach?

[Imnick]

Is this the "love and tolerate" philosophy that people like you preach?

Hey, as long as he's also prepared to eat a pony then it's totally fair.
I'd eat a pony.

Especially the MLP ones, they look like they are made of marshmallows.

[Galbrei]

Holy crap, I had never thought about it that way! XD

Another thing worth mentioning, the beloved explorer Brann Bronzebeard was an "interrogator" working for the Alliance during the 2nd war against the Horde.

[timtim89]

if you break it down im sure you can dig up all sorts of stuff for every race to make them all look evil

[Deleted]

You forgot their greedy gold-digging (at the expense of displacing the peaceful Frost Wolf Clan) in Alterac Valley, OP.

(Edit: No, you didn't. I was sleepy.)

Well, yeah, the dwarves have done some pretty inconsiderate/amoral stuff, but so has nearly every playable race in Warcraft. I admit though that some of the dwarves bad deeds do leave more of a sour taste than some of the other races escapades, largely because, for me, it seems to be for very shallow reasons (wealth a lot of the time). Their quest for knowledge is admirable, but not when it comes at the expense of killing or ruining the lives of the other sentient races.

[Deleted]

Their quest for knowledge is admirable, but not when it comes at the expense of killing or ruining the lives of the other sentient races.

I don't understand their current drive really. First they simply wanted to learn of their origins, and they learned the most important part in Uldaman.
So then they continue and learn even more in Ulduar, which I think is more than enough to satisfy their drive. But why do they still continue? Why do they have to wreck the whole world for just that 1% of information they didn't know yet?

Their quest for knowledge is starting to feel overdone to me. Brann is starting to seem overzealous. Yes, he's indeed EVIL.

[Powerninja]

Hey, as long as he's also prepared to eat a pony then it's totally fair.
I'd eat a pony.

Especially the MLP ones, they look like they are made of marshmallows.

I call dibs on pinkiepie :P

[Albert the fish]

alright, so dwarves are evil in at least the general tones.

this sets them apart from the other races...... how?
nobody is good anymore, it's all different flavors of evil duking it out these days

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

It's more that the dwarves attack the tauren, a race that never did anything against them, during peacetime, to recover archeological evidence. If the dwarves had done all this against any orcish tribe other than the frostwolf, it would still have been questionable, but at least understandable. This is equivalent the draenei attacking the revantusk during TBC because they wanted some nice beachfront property.

Also, the thread is mostly meant jokingly, as I sincerely doubt that the dwarves were actually ever intended to be evil. The fact that they did so much questionable stuff without ever being called upon it by any ally is probably something that no one ever noticed (and the stormwind thing is completely a joke, though its still a bit weird that the dwarves decided to build a quarter for themselves).

All races can be dicks at times. Like the Night Elves, the most ignorant buttheads known to Kalimdor.

[Kalcheus]

Yes, but the Beer is FANTASTIC. I forgive 'em.

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

Yes, but the Beer is FANTASTIC. I forgive 'em.

Dwarves are going to have to compete with the Pandaren ale soon mah friend. I predict family buisness wars. Like the ones in China Town.

[Kalcheus]

Dwarves are going to have to compete with the Pandaren ale soon mah friend. I predict family buisness wars. Like the ones in China Town.

Hmmm ... an intriguing point. But if Pandaren ale is anything like the beer here in China, none of it will compare to a skin of Dwarven stout.

[Nadev]

I'm in your Barrens, stealing your heritage.

If I'm evil, than so be it.

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But the biggest horror caused by the dwarves was probably when they opened up the ancients vaults of Uldaman, releasing a horde of troggs that would eventually invade Gnomeregan, killing most of the gnomish race.

For this alone I forgive them

The only reason that I can possibly think that dwarves are evil (and yes from what you stated they have done some pretty horrific things) is they are forced to live with dwarven women. If I had to live with one of these horrors then I too would go out on the rampage trying to find an honorable death in battle.

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

For this alone I forgive them

The only reason that I can possibly think that dwarves are evil (and yes from what you stated they have done some pretty horrific things) is they are forced to live with dwarven women. If I had to live with one of these horrors then I too would go out on the rampage trying to find an honorable death in battle.

Middle Earth dwarf women are mentioned as having long grizzly beards comparable to those of the men. So grizzly are their beards that they almost always looked like men. Which eventualy lead to people believing dwarf women dont even exist and that dwarves simply sprung out from the ground.

However it was stated that very few Azerothian dwarf women grow beards and that to a male dwarf looks hella hawt. *gag*