December 21st 2012: Time Wave Zero

[Huike]

So as I'm sure you all know the ancient Mayan calendar ended on December 21, 2012 and everyone is concerned about that. Here is something else you might find interesting.
Well known philosopher Terrence McKenna who died in 2000 did research on the I Ching (an ancient Chinese text) and connected the difference in the hexagrams to events in history using what I'm assuming is extremely complex mathematics and computer generated graphs.

Video on it here


Terrence also did videos on the history channel about this


I Ching hexagrams:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching..._01#Hexagram_1

Terrences' computer generated graph:

http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&...,r:5,s:0,i:123

The I Ching, also known as the Classic of Changes is one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts. (consisting entirely of six dimensional objects)



Conclusion 1:
This is all true and something amazing will really happen on December 21st 2012 with biblical reference (a completion of a biblical prophecy).

Conclusion 2:
Terrence McKenna made this entire project twenty years in advance when he found out about the mayan calendar to trick westerners into buying books etc; like any number of classic doomsday deceivers have. When he died in 2000 the reason his research didn't continue to gain popularity is because he wasn't there to perpetuate the hype and none of his research was substantiated by real mathematical evidence.

ps:

If there are any brilliant mathematicians out there who would like to take a look this site claims to have the mathematics associated with the time wave zero computer program:

http://www.levity.com/eschaton/sheliak/

edit: I do not post this in an attempt to scare people or incite doomsdayism.

Thank you for the post about the history of this theory.

[Reyzzz]

Just fyi.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

Just fyi.

By the way, the Mayan Calender is a separate system from the Julian Calender and DOES account for leap years.

Also, can we close this post? This shit has been posted so many times and it's on the level of religion.

[Huike]

By the way, the Mayan Calender is a separate system from the Julian Calender and DOES account for leap years.

Also, can we close this post? This shit has been posted so many times and it's on the level of religion.

There have been posts about Time Wave Zero? I haven't seen any.

"It's on the level of religion"
What?

[Rakeer]

that video looks like it was made for stoners in the 90's. no credibility im afriad

[Catta]

Noone but the "faithful" are concerned about 21st of december...

[Huike]

I agree, it looks like bullshit. Honestly I would love for an intelligent mathematician to analyze the math that went into the computer program and explain what exactly the graph is showing (if anything).

[Catta]

I agree, it looks like bullshit. Honestly I would love for an intelligent mathematician to analyze the math that went into the computer program and explain what exactly the graph is showing (if anything).

An intelligent mathematician has nothing to say about the theory as a whole... It all stems from some people taking the fact that their calender ends is as a sign of divine knowledge of the end of the world even though they didnt even see the spanish armada coming...
EVERYTHING ELSE is just added garbage from the present time...
Its nostradamus all over again - a lot of doomsday tied in with previous events but presented as prophecy

[DeltrusDisc]

I think the bigger question is....

Do the governments/big scientists know but have to keep the secret hidden away, as I believe Plato said in the Phaedo? This man perhaps could have been trying to fight that and who knows, maybe he died because he was releasing too much information.

[Huike]

An intelligent mathematician has nothing to say about the theory as a whole... It all stems from some people taking the fact that their calender ends is as a sign of divine knowledge of the end of the world even though they didnt even see the spanish armada coming...
EVERYTHING ELSE is just added garbage from the present time...
Its nostradamus all over again - a lot of doomsday tied in with previous events but presented as prophecy

You can't dismiss an entire research project with 'is just garbage from the present time'.
There is real math behind this project and it would be nice if someone with a brain could analyze it for us. Clearly that person is not you, and it is not me either.

[Catta]

You can't dismiss an entire research project with 'is just garbage from the present time'.
There is real math behind this project and it would be nice if someone with a brain could analyze it for us. Clearly that person is not you, and it is not me either.

Where does he get the fact that the world is ending from? Why is he talking about the number 6...? And why the hell is the number 6 important - as far as i know its the number 666 which is the number of the beast... 6 is a pretty low and therefore pretty common number...

[Huike]

The I Ching is comprised of six dimensional objects. That is why he is talking about the number six.

[Yuuki Asuna]

I'm going to sip some tea and play WoW when it's December 22nd.

[DeltrusDisc]

By the way, the number is 666, not 6, so why he is so obsessed with 6 baffles me, the number you need to be more focused on is the full, six hundred and sixty six, as that is how it is read and written in the Bible. I don't care if China has some six-sided objects in a book or whatever, that's completely different and as far as I'm concerned - unrelated.

[Azutael]

World doesn't end december 21st, pfft. It will end the 15th of may. Evil is back!

We have survived every previous "end of the world" predictions, i'm sure we will be just fine now as well. If we do get to see the end of the world, well then there's not much we could do anyway is there.

[Caiada]

By the way, the Mayan Calender is a separate system from the Julian Calender and DOES account for leap years.

Also, can we close this post? This shit has been posted so many times and it's on the level of religion.

Pretty much this. That image is wrong as hell, the evidence in the OP is... pretty darn vague and definitely not convincing, and there's no constructive discussion to be had in well-known conspiracy theories.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

There have been posts about Time Wave Zero? I haven't seen any.

"It's on the level of religion"
What?

December 21st, 2012 has been posted about a LOT and the belief that it will have something special has no backing in reality.

[Sayl]

Remember in the film A Beautiful Mind when John Nash's character suffers schizophrenic episodes, obsessively drawing connections between random words in magazines with long strings of yarn? Well, the McKenna story is like that, only without the schizophrenia, absolutely ingenious economic dissertation, and being awarded a Nobel Prize. Actually, I can't think of anything that better illustrates the utter inanity of 2012 mythology and its inexplicable popularity like McKenna's eschaton timewave concept.

Conclusion 1:
This is all true and something amazing will really happen on December 21st 2012 with biblical reference (a completion of a biblical prophecy).

Conclusion 2:
Terrence McKenna made this entire project twenty years in advance when he found out about the mayan calendar to trick westerners into buying books etc; like any number of classic doomsday deceivers have. When he died in 2000 the reason his research didn't continue to gain popularity is because he wasn't there to perpetuate the hype and none of his research was substantiated by real mathematical evidence.

First, McKenna was many things, but he was not a book-peddling huckster like the overwhelming majority of authors riding the 2012 meme. He did have academic qualifications, and genuinely believed in his work. His ideas were just particularly misguided and his blind spot to their fatal flaws was due largely to his adherence to "psychedelic shamanism" -- in other words, he routinely sought "revelations" and "experiences" when he and his brother and friends were tripping their balls off on hallucinogens, to the point of borderline psychosis. We're talking copious amounts of mind-altering drugs here. (References below.)

As such, the first sentence of "Conclusion 2" is off the mark. The second sentence in that paragraph is closer to the truth. But what you've not managed to discover in your links and videos is that McKenna actually accepted the fact that his idea was wrong, before his death. That piece of information is conveniently omitted by these sources that continue to promote his debunked ideas.

On the basis of the Timewave Software and its source code (the mathematics in The Invisible Landscape itself were found to be ‘worryingly arbritrary … and mathematically clumsy’), a young mathematician named Matthew Watkins was able to formulate a detailed mathematical critique that thoroughly deconstructs the theory. Watkins discussed his objections with McKenna in person, and finally appears to have convinced him:

"By the final discussion he seemed to have fully grasped the nature of the problem, and had admitted that the theory appeared to have ‘no basis in rational thought’. He claimed (and this struck me as sincere) that he was only interested in the truth, and that someone ‘disproving’ the theory was just as a much of a relief to him as someone confirming its validity. He proposed that we collaborate on a piece provisionally entitled ‘Autopsy for a Mathematical Hallucination’ in which we would carefully take the theory apart and see what had gone wrong. He claimed that I was the first person to approach him with a serious mathematical critique of his ideas, partly explaining why such an unjustifiable theory had not only survived for so long, but also attracted so much interest and attention."

So this is how the theory met its intellectual Waterloo, well before the arrival of the year 2012. From Watkins’ words one can only conclude that if McKenna’s ‘eschaton timewave’ has not stood the test of science, McKenna himself certainly passed the test of scientific integrity: it is no small feat of heroism to accept proof that most of one’s life’s work has been based upon a mistake.

Needless to say, "Conclusion 1" is off the table, because it's wrong on multiple counts.

You'll have to read two academic articles to obtain a full picture of the batshit-insane nature of this story, because there's no way I can even summarize it here without creating an insane wall-o-text. The first provides an overall background and chronology of the development of 2012 claims, and McKenna's role. The second is far more damning, showing just how deep their drug-addled rabbit hole went. It's also the source of the quote I've provided above. To that end:

• A critical history of 2012 mythology (.pdf)
• 'And End History. And Go to the Stars': Terence McKenna and 2012

[loganroth51]

Well, I personally dont think anything will happen, but thats just my opinion.

BUT IF IT DOES END THEN
1.) MoP better be out before then.
2.) I will be the first one to come on here and start a thread saying how much I dearly love all my fellow forum posters.
3.) I better have time to drink my regular cup of cofee.

And if it doesnt happen then....... well ill still start a thread about how much I love you all :P lol

[Runeforged]

So........According to this guy, somehow on Dec 21 2012, reality will fall apart and anything imaginable can happen? Am I understanding this right? :/