How Much W-PvP Will We See In MoP?

[Toroc]

It will be insane until a lot of people hit 90 and fly everywhere. If you've been questing in the beta, you already know this.

[Larwood]

No more than there is now. We might see a few people with nothing better to do get a group together and pointlessly gank people who are questing, but no more world pvp.

[Bluesftw]

Wpvp is dead for one simple reason - its only fun for one side, everyone likes to gank , noone likes being ganked

[Larwood]

It's all about rewards. The EPL and BC World PvP attempts did nothing or nearly nothing to reward players. Halaa was a good attempt, but not enough.
EPL was bound to fail. There's already zero incentive to be in that zone aside from those 2-3 lvl's and Sungrass farming.

Good World PvP objectives are situated in a central zone, one we have a reason to be in. Reward players with kills within the zone with tokens they can trade for useful items, fun items, rare mounts, plenty of stuff.

Sounds like farming to you? Exactly. Since it is what people seem to love doing most in this game.

Exactly like wintergrasp.

[Stanton Biston]

It's all about rewards.

Hasn't the issue always been, even with things like Wintergrasp and Tol Barad that if a zone/objective gives rewards, that the rewards don't scale?

I mean, it sure would be nice if whatever they planned gave some sort of token/currency that was always useful throughout the expansion.

Something that even high level people would want.

But what kind of something could they give that would fulfill those requirements?

Hrm.

[PizzaSHARK]

Hasn't the issue always been, even with things like Wintergrasp and Tol Barad that if a zone/objective gives rewards, that the rewards don't scale?

I mean, it sure would be nice if whatever they planned gave some sort of token/currency that was always useful throughout the expansion.

Something that even high level people would want.

But what kind of something could they give that would fulfill those requirements?

Hrm.

It'd have to be cosmetic or otherwise something besides stats. People still sometimes arrange kill-trade groups for Halaa because the dark talbuk mounts are pretty uncommon.

It'd be pretty cool if they introduced special bits and pieces for tabard designs that you can unlock for your guild via certain methods - tokens awarded for participating in world PvP areas would be an interesting concept. Not only does it encourage players to get involved, it encourages entire guilds to participate since the rewards are guild-wide.

[Naoto]

Blizzard have done enough to encourage world PVP but the player base is too god damn lazy, I remember being on horde when alliance used to come to org and attack people to start up some world PVP and when I'd say on trade and all that people would laugh at you and go /care? or so what? this was alliance IN YOUR HOME CITY, you didn't have to go to them, THEY CAME TO YOU, yet people still couldn't be bothered to group up and do some PVP so what else can Blizzard do really?

World PVP is available you just have to want it, problem is not many people do, blame the lazy players and not Blizzard.

[Stanton Biston]

It'd have to be cosmetic or otherwise something besides stats. People still sometimes arrange kill-trade groups for Halaa because the dark talbuk mounts are pretty uncommon.

It'd be pretty cool if they introduced special bits and pieces for tabard designs that you can unlock for your guild via certain methods - tokens awarded for participating in world PvP areas would be an interesting concept. Not only does it encourage players to get involved, it encourages entire guilds to participate since the rewards are guild-wide.

The answer I was looking for was conquest points.

World PvP daily quests/objectives will be rewarding conquest points in MoP.

[Naoto]

I hate the attitude you players have towards games where you want to be rewarded for doing anything, why should Blizzard give you stuff for doing some world PVP? why are you only interested in killing the opposite faction if you get something for it? that attitude is bullshit really, I've done more PVP on wow in my 5 or so years than anything else because I enjoy killing other players so why can't you guys just do the same? do you fly into SW and go shit, I really wanna kill that mage but can't because Blizzard won't give me conq for it?

You get rewarded for arena, BG's or RBG's yet that still isn't enough? just play the damn game and if you want rewarded for doing everything then games ain't for you.

[Firebert]

You get rewarded for arena, BG's or RBG's yet that still isn't enough? just play the damn game and if you want rewarded for doing everything then games ain't for you.

Top-level Daily Quests in MoP grant Valor Points, the same Valor Points you get from raiding or doing LFD/LFR.

Game's changing, my friend. This game is becoming suited for those people you believe it isn't for.

[asharia]

Hopefully that zone with the 2 new 'hubs' will see some world pvp.

Has anyone heard or seen of a new wintergrasp/tolbarad?

[PizzaSHARK]

The answer I was looking for was conquest points.

World PvP daily quests/objectives will be rewarding conquest points in MoP.

Oh. That's okay too, I guess.

I'm still not really a fan of gear being a factor in PvP to begin with. Oh well, it's part and parcel of the MMO format.

[Firebert]

Has anyone heard or seen of a new wintergrasp/tolbarad?

They said they're not doing one for MoP.

[jbombard]

I doubt we will see much more world PvP than we see now. The only thing I know of that really gets people out in the zones are the new world bosses. Scenarios are instanced, pokepanda pets can be traded and are account wide so initially we might see some farming but it is going to go down fast. Farming and fishing will likely take place in specific areas so not so much out in the world as out by the quest givers.

[Stanton Biston]

I doubt we will see much more world PvP than we see now. The only thing I know of that really gets people out in the zones are the new world bosses. Scenarios are instanced, pokepanda pets can be traded and are account wide so initially we might see some farming but it is going to go down fast. Farming and fishing will likely take place in specific areas so not so much out in the world as out by the quest givers.

People seem to think world pvp is only ganking.

I've never understood this.

[Baracuda]

You could get halaa tokens or something similiar for World-PvPing in specific PvP objectives or just anywhere in the world. Perhaps you could buy shoulder enchants, epic gems, mounts/pets/transmog gear etc, and some high-end reward(mount) which will take several months/years to get even if you farm everyday.

Would of course only works against people of similiar level, you should get a minus for ganking lowbies.

[PizzaSHARK]

People seem to think world pvp is only ganking.

I've never understood this.

I thought people kept screaming "GANKING ISN'T PVP U LOSER SCRUB FAGGOT NOOB OMG I HATE U DIE FAGGOT."

[Advilnaar]

I do not have beta, but from what i hear so far: you will have decent WPvP first month or so. No flying mounts.

With cross realm lower level zones AND pandas which must be leveled, you will have stuff happening as well. At least on PvP servers. But.. wasnt that the reason you rolled PvP?

As far as a permanent fix for WPvP, you got to have some element of sandbox. Maybe phased zones and be able to affect Alliance controlled, Horde Controlled, and contested along with quests. Have this where it must be won over over multiple realms so one realm with 80 percent horde does not overwhelm. Have this affect lore and the novels. Not that they would do anything like this. But, it would make for world PvP.

[THoyt]

Sadly, world PvP has been long dead. Blizzard can "bring war to the factions" with MoP but that doesn't necessarily mean world PvP. You'll never see the scale of PvP that we seen in Sithilus(AQ Gates), Naxx40 platform or even SS/TM again. Even the world dragons promoted world PvP.

Remember those towers in EPL that were made to encourage world PvP?

If you're implying that those tower were useless and didn't promote world pvp, you clearly didn't play on Illidan or any other high pop original PvP launch server.

Edit: You forgot Halaa, which was a massive (nearly) 24 hour PvP bloodbath for nearly all of BC on the "-drama" realms.

[PizzaSHARK]

I do not have beta, but from what i hear so far: you will have decent WPvP first month or so. No flying mounts.

With cross realm lower level zones AND pandas which must be leveled, you will have stuff happening as well. At least on PvP servers. But.. wasnt that the reason you rolled PvP?

As far as a permanent fix for WPvP, you got to have some element of sandbox. Maybe phased zones and be able to affect Alliance controlled, Horde Controlled, and contested along with quests. Have this where it must be won over over multiple realms so one realm with 80 percent horde does not overwhelm. Have this affect lore and the novels. Not that they would do anything like this. But, it would make for world PvP.

I never really understood why WoW didn't try to implement some WAR-like elements with faction-controllable quest hubs or graveyards or whatevers. The bonus Tol Barad dailies are a nice example of something that could work, but why not have a zone have elements like that, 24/7? You can always turn in the quests to NPCs which will always be present, but you can only get the quests if the faction-controlled NPCs are present.