View Poll Results: Is Jaina's new character something you're looking forward to?

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  • Yes, she needs to put the war in Warcraft

    673 63.67%
  • No, she should stay 'neutral' as she has always been

    76 7.19%
  • She should take action, but not to the extent to hate the horde.

    308 29.14%
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  1. #1261
    we alrdy seen her being crazy in cata in the latest hc dungeons.

    i really like her new looks. it might bring me back into the game to see all the new lore that is going around.

  2. #1262
    Why did Admiral Proudmoore die? When his death didnt restore peace between theramore and the horde.

  3. #1263
    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Daelin Proudmoore View Post
    Theramore invaded Horde territory first. She has little right to be so angry. Second she wouldn't be able to wipe out Orgrimmar. The Horde has gained a sizeable navy to counter Theramore and she wouldn't be able to control the ocean if that's what you're getting at. Third I'm pretty sure Aethas can mass teleport as well. They don't let just anyone join the Six, a group of the most powerful mages made to rule the capital of mortal magic users. Lastly the part where you said no one else could stand toe to toe with the Lich King and survive, Sylvanas did.

    Horde invaded ASHENVALE first. Get it right. And from doing the questlines in their entirety the whole S. Barrens questline had very little with offensive as it did defensive since the entire line involved the Alliance pushing into Stonetalons as a way to get supplies and reinforcements into Ashenvale.

    And I again find it rather hilarious that the orc idea of treachery involves fighting back after being provoked.

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    I thought her hair was going all white from the arcane, but her inner hatred has brought out in my opinion.
    Can't wait to for Mists of Pandaria and damn Garrosh can;t wait to kill him off either.

    Dunno bout her hair, but the way her eyes look it looks like she was exposed to a lot of energy.
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    Where does it say the entire SB invasion was simply to get supplies into Stonetalon/Ashenvale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ondray View Post
    Why did Admiral Proudmoore die? When his death didnt restore peace between theramore and the horde.
    It did restore peace.
    Jaina siding with the Horde saved Thermore and saved a little bit of the Horde's respect

    Even though peace resumed.......
    Proudmoore's action left very bitter feelings between the Horde and Thermore

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Horde invaded ASHENVALE first. Get it right. And from doing the questlines in their entirety the whole S. Barrens questline had very little with offensive as it did defensive since the entire line involved the Alliance pushing into Stonetalons as a way to get supplies and reinforcements into Ashenvale.
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    More defensive rather offensive?
    Human armies are launching an offense against enemy lands. I dont see that as being defensive. Unless its pre-emptive

    and Garrosh may have been the first to strike in this most recent conflict

    But it was Proudmoore using Thermore as a base that first broke the peace between the New Horde and New Alliance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    Where does it say the entire SB invasion was simply to get supplies into Stonetalon/Ashenvale?
    Its not to get simpe supplies to the Night Elves.
    They can just do that by boat

    Its to link up Human armies with Night Elf armies.
    Since they are currently fighting at differant sides of the continent
    it makes sense military wise, to invade Horde lands from two sides, lnik up, then make the final push together.

    Except in this case, the Night Elves are more staying still, and the Humans armies are the ones that are doing all the "linking up"
    Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-06-13 at 02:51 PM.

  6. #1266
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    It did restore peace.
    Jaina siding with the Horde saved Thermore and saved a little bit of the Horde's respect

    Even though peace resumed.......
    Proudmoore's action left very bitter feelings between the Horde and Thermore

    ---------- Post added 2012-06-13 at 02:44 PM ----------


    More defensive rather offensive?
    Human armies are launching an offense against enemy lands. I dont see that as being defensive. Unless its pre-emptive

    and Garrosh may have been the first to strike in this most recent conflict

    But it was Proudmoore using Thermore as a base that first broke the peace between the New Horde and New Alliance

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    Its not to get simpe supplies to the Night Elves.
    They can just do that by boat

    Its to link up Human armies with Night Elf armies.
    Since they are currently fighting at differant sides of the continent
    it makes sense military wise, to invade Horde lands from two sides, lnik up, then make the final push together.

    Except in this case, the Night Elves are more staying still, and the Humans armies are the ones that are doing all the "linking up"

    Drek, you're all over the place. First Theramore broke the peace by allowing the Alliance to use it as a base. And THEN you say that Garrosh was the first to strike. Garrosh struck, THEN the Alliance landed forces at Theramore to try to get through to Ashenvale. The entire questline sends you simply supporting the various camps that defend said road to Stonetalon, then it sends you into Stonetalon with the culmination being you trying to save as many druids before the bomb is dropped.

    And no they can't get supplies by boat since Auberdine was destroyed by water elementals. The only way there is by bird. So Theramore is now the ONLY port in Kalimdor for the Alliance. Or rather it was. And the Night elves are indeed pushing to link up, since, like the Alliance S.Barren quests, the Ashenvale quests have you pushing south into Stonetalon. Again, once the questlines merge you're final bit involves rescuing as many druids as you can before the Horde drop the bomb.
    Last edited by RyanEX; 2012-06-13 at 05:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Drek, you're all over the place. First Theramore broke the peace by allowing the Alliance to use it as a base. And THEN you say that Garrosh was the first to strike. Garrosh struck, THEN the Alliance landed forces at Theramore to try to get through to Ashenvale. The entire questline sends you simply supporting the various camps that defend said road to Stonetalon, then it sends you into Stonetalon with the culmination being you trying to save as many druids before the bomb is dropped.

    And no they can't get supplies by boat since Auberdine was destroyed by water elementals. The only way there is by bird. So Theramore is now the ONLY port in Kalimdor for the Alliance. Or rather it was. And the Night elves are indeed pushing to link up, since, like the Alliance S.Barren quests, the Ashenvale quests have you pushing south into Stonetalon. Again, once the questlines merge you're final bit involves rescuing as many druids as you can before the Horde drop the bomb.
    What I meant by Proudmoore was by Jaina's father.
    After the Battle of Hyjal, where the world looked to a brighter future and all that crap

    It was the actions of Jaina's father that started the cycle of old hatrds and grudges that eventually led to the current Alliance/Horde War

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    Either way, there's one catch-all reason why Jaina is going to go insane and be killed: Blizzard cannot write anything else.
    It became clear that it wasn’t realistic to try to get the audience back to being more hardcore, as it had been in the past. -- Tom Chilton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    Either way, there's one catch-all reason why Jaina is going to go insane and be killed: Blizzard cannot write anything else.
    Actually, it's the first character that Blizz writes like this. A "no-mercy" GOOD character.

    She isn't gone insane, simply pissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Actually, it's the first character that Blizz writes like this. A "no-mercy" GOOD character.

    She isn't gone insane, simply pissed.
    For the moment.
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  11. #1271
    Quote Originally Posted by Mails-Prowers View Post
    May I remind you Admiral which you have the same name as the admiral of Kul Tiras that half of the Fleet of Kul Tiras alone is all the fleet that the Horde have so don't overestimate the Horde fleet. Second she has the Focusing Iris on her possesion the artifact that can control magic. I am sure she can obliterate Orgrimmar if she wanted. Aethas is a part of the Kirin Tor a neutral faction. He cannot interfere without provoking the Kirin Tor and he is just only one. Now about Sylvannas it was game mechanics that she survived from Arthas as she is no mage not to mention that she of course could have died if were not for the players.
    Jaina would have died to without the players as well? I don't understand that arguement. Kul Tiras wouldn't support her. She might as well have renounced all ties to Kul Tiras after she aided in the death of her father and those soldiers. I'm not going to argue the point about the Focusing Iris because it is simply to early to talk about that. I'll discount Aethas even though his agents fought against Theramore, but then we have Rommath who is more powerful than Aethas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Horde invaded ASHENVALE first. Get it right. And from doing the questlines in their entirety the whole S. Barrens questline had very little with offensive as it did defensive since the entire line involved the Alliance pushing into Stonetalons as a way to get supplies and reinforcements into Ashenvale.
    Well if you look at it by level progression the Alliance have taken the Merchant Coast, an extension beyond Northwatch and are also trying to block the Horde's port access to Ratchet in the Northern Barrens. According to quest dialog in the Southern Barrens, Theramore, besieged the Crossroads as dusk fell and later took Honor's Stand BEFORE the Shattering and the Ashenvale offensive took place AFTER the Shattering. For the record I also believe Garrosh is in the wrong in regards to Ashenvale.
    Last edited by Admiral Daelin Proudmoore; 2012-06-14 at 01:46 AM. Reason: Clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Actually, it's the first character that Blizz writes like this. A "no-mercy" GOOD character.

    She isn't gone insane, simply pissed.
    oh please, we all know blizzard can't help themselves in making characters go insane and needing to be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    oh please, we all know blizzard can't help themselves in making characters go insane and needing to be killed.
    Don't work under assumption, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Don't work under assumption, sorry.
    I'm assuming nothing. Its a fact characters end up going insane and becoming raid bosses. The problem with this repeated method is it gets old, and there never seems to be a saving grace for the characters that do. This is why I hold out little hope for Jaina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Daelin Proudmoore View Post
    Well if you look at it by level progression the Alliance have taken the Merchant Coast, an extension beyond Northwatch and are also trying to block the Horde's port access to Ratchet in the Northern Barrens. According to quest dialog in the Southern Barrens, Theramore, besieged the Crossroads as dusk fell and later took Honor's Stand BEFORE the Shattering and the Ashenvale offensive took place AFTER the Shattering. For the record I also believe Garrosh is in the wrong in regards to Ashenvale.
    Yeah, thats pretty much how i thought the time-line played out

    If Thrall and the other leaders of the Horde could not figure out how to solve the Horde supply crisis by peace, can you expect Garrosh to?
    Garrosh is an orc, and not just any orc, he is a Maghar, a pure orc of the original Orcsh Homeworld
    Traditional Orcs lead through shows of strength, which is what Garrosh does.

  16. #1276
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    If Thrall and the other leaders of the Horde could not figure out how to solve the Horde supply crisis by peace, can you expect Garrosh to?
    Garrosh is an orc, and not just any orc, he is a Maghar, a pure orc of the original Orcsh Homeworld
    Traditional Orcs lead through shows of strength, which is what Garrosh does.
    This is mistaken: The Mag'har don't lead through shows of strength. Remember their leader was Greatmother Geyah, an elderly and wise shaman.

    Remember that the Mag'har are not a militaristic clan, like the warsong or the blackrock. In fact, the Mag'har are a collection of the uncorrupted survivors from different clans, hence it makes sense that the leader is a diplomat or a sage that can keep the clans together, attending to their different natures and beliefs.

    Only the militaristic clans were actually led by the strongest warriors. The rest of clans were led by elder councils or shamans with a powerful connection to the spirits. Wisdom and respect, rather than strength.
    And this is the tragedy of Garrosh's Horde: Garrosh is taking the ideals of one clan, the warsong, and "duping" the Azeroth orcs into thinking those were the old ways, the true orc ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ondray View Post
    Why did Admiral Proudmoore die? When his death didnt restore peace between theramore and the horde.
    Uhm it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizzlewits View Post
    we alrdy seen her being crazy in cata in the latest hc dungeons.

    i really like her new looks. it might bring me back into the game to see all the new lore that is going around.
    The Jaina you see in End Time is not really Jaina though. It's a ghost of a Jaina who died in a world where Deathwin won.

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    I think her future as a character will depends upon who she is really pissed at and for how long she is.
    Yes she now hates Garrosh's Horde, but how much does she now hate the Orc's as a race? Will she eventually mellow out as Varian will?

    I think before we assume she goes loco and becomes another Maiev, we need to wait until we get more info on how she really feels about the Orcs as a whole, and not just Garrosh's lackies. I feel Tides Of War will answer most of this.

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    I agree 100%. I play both alliance and horde equally so I'm not biased towards any of the two factions. I hope she doesn't take it as far as Varian does. Varian is just as big an idiot as Garrosh. They each hate their opposing faction with such fervor that its to the point where it doesn't even make sense anymore. .
    not really Varyan has changed quite allot instead of Garrosh learning from Jaina and his son that had stoped him to be Cruel and Mean. Just as you do the Lion's Landing quest you will see that he awknowledges that Leadership isn't about war or force the people to do things etc.. Varyan is way smarter and kind than Garrosh

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    Too few options.

    She should hate the horde and be more aggressive but she shouldn't be crazy or stupid about it.

    Kicking the Sunreavers out of Dalaran was a fine decision, one of the best the Alliance has made in years.
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