Real Money Auction House - Rip off?

[Grogo]

I am curious as to what people think of this? I have not made up my mind either way but i do have some concerns.

With a RMAH (Real Money Auction House) does it make you wonder (and this makes good business sense I guess but it could be conceived as being douche-bag like) that the good gear will always end up on the RMAH?

The odd good gear that ends up on the gold AH will be too expensive gold-wise (seeing that now), which steers people to the RMAH, which Blizxard gets a 15% cut of... correct?

I believe the business case for Blizzard was the implementation of a policy to make sure many players are steered to the RMAH so they can make a killing on their 15% cut. People on both sides will get screwed if this is the case.

I guess what I am asking, are people ok with this? It seems shady to me when you ask some pretty clear questions.

[Caiada]

You can sell gold for money. All gold in the game will have a real money worth. The markets are connected and will both be used.

[Deleted]

you seem to forget the popularity of the RMAH is dependent on people actually using it.

It is not a rip off if your willingly choosing one option over the other

[Torched]

I won´t be using it since I will have to pay in Euros.. my country does not use Euros and we are not in the European Union ether and should not be forced to use a currency that´s far more expensive then the dollar, hell I had to buy the fucking game for 60 euros when I can buy games from steam for 60 dollars and that´s a hell lot cheaper and that´s AAA games.
Just because Iceland is in Europe does not mean that we have to be forced to use it as the main payment.

[Jtbrig7390]

Me personally if im going to play d3 why not make money from it if i can.
Will i buy from the RMAH - No cause i don't mind grinding for gear even if it takes awhile.
Will i sell my items/gold on the RMAH - Yes cause as i said if i can make money while playing D3 why not.
do i think the RMAH will hurt the Gold Auction house thats a yes and a no. each AH has a limit to what you can post on it so *Person A* can sell 10 items on the RMAH then Sell 10 items on the Gold AH take that gold they make and post it on the RMAH to make cash and repeat as needed. there will be less amount of items of items on the gold auction house so there will be less choice. i do see most if not all level 60 items going to the RMAH and not the gold one.


Edit: also last i checked it dose not cost you cash to post on the RMAH they take there cut when you sell the item but there is a min you can post for i think it is 1.25$ US

[Rédempteur]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...light=rmah+cut

Search function is hard.

[Kujako]

This is how it will work. In order to progress you will need gear, this gear comes not from the game, but from the auction house. You will sell some of the items you find for gold, sell that gold for real dollars and then buy the gear you need with said dollars. And at each step in the transaction Blizzard will take a cut. This would be fine on a free game, but is distasteful to me in a 60$ game.

Course with the problems they're having the "real money" auction house may never go online.

[Jtbrig7390]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...light=rmah+cut

Search function is hard.

so you post the link of this thread in this thread and make a smart comment.
your a smart one.

[Quick Ben]

This is how it will work. In order to progress you will need gear, this gear comes not from the game, but from the auction house. You will sell some of the items you find for gold, sell that gold for real dollars and then buy the gear you need with said dollars. And at each step in the transaction Blizzard will take a cut. This would be fine on a free game, but is distasteful to me in a 60$ game.

Course with the problems they're having the "real money" auction house may never go online.

What a dumb, dumb statement. By your logic, no one should have cleared inferno by now if RMAH is so essential to progression since it never went live. Did you stop to think what you were posting?

[Jtbrig7390]

also to add i personally think they will wait on the RMAH untill patch 1.1 cause thats when they are releasing the pvp part.
and the PVP part of D3 is what will fuel the RMAH cause people will pay cash for the best gear in the game to beat the next person to get higher on the leaderbored.

[Deleted]

A few points I wanted to make.

• You do not have to use the RMAH to sell your items.
• If you do use the RMAH to make real money, any money you make is a bonus, so you've got no basis to complain. What, you want even more bonus money, screw the company who offers this opportunity to make it?
• You do not have to use the RMAH to buy items.
• If you do choose to use the RMAH to buy items, that's on you. That's your personal choice. You can get the items with gold, and you can even find them yourself. If you choose to take a shortcut and buy them for real money, then you really have no basis to complain, once again. What's your logic here? If someone leaves their keys in the car, you have no choice but to steal it? Nobody forces you to buy from the RMAH. Any statement to the contrary is just you trying to convince yourself of that.
• Blizzard's cuts are $1.25/1€ for a piece of gear regardless of the sale price only if it sells, and 15% of the sale price of commodities only if they sell. They take another 15% if you cash out to PayPal, and PayPal takes it's own cut if you transfer from there to your bank account. Blizzard's cuts don't come out of your pocket. They're taken from the bonus money you're making, that you wouldn't necessarily be making at all to begin with. Companies are profit driven. They're not there to make and give you shit for free.

[DeadmanWalking]

This is how it will work. In order to progress you will need gear, this gear comes not from the game, but from the auction house. You will sell some of the items you find for gold, sell that gold for real dollars and then buy the gear you need with said dollars. And at each step in the transaction Blizzard will take a cut. This would be fine on a free game, but is distasteful to me in a 60$ game.

Course with the problems they're having the "real money" auction house may never go online.

Do you make stuff up as you go or do you just say things that are exaggerated to support your point of view? The gear comes not from the game? Then where does the gear come from? Nobody is forcing you to buy -anything- off the auction house for in game gold or for real money. The gear comes from the game and if you don't want to play the auction house you can just farm the gear you want yourself. Will that take a long time? Yep! Will that satisfy people who can only bear instant gratification? Nope.

There is also nothing that stops you from selling gear that has great stats that you don't want because its ideal for another class and using that gold to buy the item you do want. So its not like its impossible for you to get the gear you want without having to spend real money to get it.

Blizzard doesn't get a cut if you buy with in game gold, they do get a cut if someone else makes real money off the transaction and they should since they are providing both parties with a service to get what they want in the exchange without worrying that a gold seller webpage has a keylogger or other virus that allows the seller to hack the account of the buyer.

[Kujako]

What a dumb, dumb statement. By your logic, no one should have cleared inferno by now if RMAH is so essential to progression since it never went live. Did you stop to think what you were posting?

Did you? More people are more or less giving up on act 2 inferno then have finished it. The main reason given, no gear drops. And I doubt anyone has finished infernot without gear form the auction house.

[Quick Ben]

Did you? More people are more or less giving up on act 2 inferno then have finished it. The main reason given, no gear drops. And I doubt anyone has finished infernot without gear form the auction house.

Read again what you wrote. Please. You said:

In order to progress you will need gear, this gear comes not from the game, but from the auction house. You will sell some of the items you find for gold, sell that gold for real dollars and then buy the gear you need with said dollars. And at each step in the transaction Blizzard will take a cut. This would be fine on a free game, but is distasteful to me in a 60$ game.

I am quoting you again here. If you are accurate, no one should be clearing inferno.
And please, enlighten me, what are the poll numbers on people dropping out of the game because inferno is too hard? Where was that study published? Let me tell you how it works:
1. Gear makes progression easy.
2. You can grind the gear.
3. Or you can buy it off the auction house from the gold that you can grind.
4. Or you can buy if for real money at a point in the foreseeable future.
5. Or you can improve your skill and progress all the way with moderate gear, as people have shown can be done.

What exactly is distasteful to you, O' sensitive one?

[Grogo]

I guess what I am trying to say:

It would be in Blizzard's best interest to (in a nutshell) keep people on the RMAH instead of the gold one. The incentive is there for them to get their money's worth. To do that...make drops (good drops) rare so people need to use the AH to gear up, design it so the best gear will go on the RMAH, the normal AH would have prices so high gold-wise for the good gear that it funnels people to the RMAH where again, Blizzard will make themselves more money.

Does it not seem like a scheme? A legal one yes, but it seems dishonest and scheming.

[quras]

This is how it will work. In order to progress you will need gear, this gear comes not from the game, but from the auction house. You will sell some of the items you find for gold, sell that gold for real dollars and then buy the gear you need with said dollars. And at each step in the transaction Blizzard will take a cut. This would be fine on a free game, but is distasteful to me in a 60$ game.

Course with the problems they're having the "real money" auction house may never go online.

So much truth in the the post above most people wont be able to stomach it.

[Dundebuns]

I might use it to recoup the costs of buying the game, but I will not buy anything from it for real money

[Quick Ben]

So much truth in the the post above most people wont be able to stomach it.

Right! You tell them brother! He showed everyone! Gear is randomly generated from the AH. Blizzard is taking a real money cut from the transactions even now even though the RMAH isnt even out yet. No one has cleared inferno and whoever said they did, are clearly lying!

[Kassidus]

This is how it will work. In order to progress you will need gear, this gear comes not from the game, but from the auction house. You will sell some of the items you find for gold, sell that gold for real dollars and then buy the gear you need with said dollars. And at each step in the transaction Blizzard will take a cut. This would be fine on a free game, but is distasteful to me in a 60$ game.

Course with the problems they're having the "real money" auction house may never go online.

How in the world does gear not from the game make it's way into the rmah? I'm pretty sure the people that put that gear into the rmah got it from playing the game. Or does the rmah offer gear that doesn't drop from the game?

[Grogo]

You can grind the gear.

Ok this is interesting...speaking with many...hardly anyone find upgrades...maybe a few...rest has to come from ah it seems...thats been my impression