What century will mankind explore space?

[bals]

Well, they're doing that so other companies and start up and finance themselves, bringing more money into the program.

yeah pretty awesome that one company just sent people up (spacex? i think the name escapes me). I still think that space exploration should be a huge initiative of advanced countries across the globe

[semaphore]

you were the first one to say technological growth was slowing down.
i need some kind of metric to base my answer upon.
don't worry, i know you're just going to dodge questions and try to make me look bad, because you have nothing.

Except I didn't say that, so now I know you're just straw maning. And I already pointed you towards my explainations. Since all you want to do is ignore anything you can't answer, I guess there's no point in me replying to you any more.

And again your internet example is still completely illogical. Simply rephrasing it doesn't actually explain how it shows anything whatsoever about the rate of growth.

[Kalyyn]

yeah but we cut most funding to nasa so they can't even do anything (pretty sad our astronauts have to hitch rides up with other countries, we're supposed to be the #1 country on the planet)

To be fair, our shuttles were starting to show their age. They needed to be scrapped. We only have to use Russian rockets until 2016 when the Falcon 9 human carrier version is finished, at which point all the money will be going to American corporations. And honestly, the budget wasn't cut by that much. The news wants you to think they cut it by like 90%, but it was closer to 5%. With that 5% cut, we're still spending more money on space than any other county, by a shitload. Furthermore, the cuts were in part meant to encourage NASA to work with the private sector, which means that soon they'll accomplish more for cheaper.

And it's not like Russia isn't trying to put a robot on Mars. They've tried it a couple times. They just keep failing every time. NASA has a fantastic Mars record. Roscosmos, on the other hand, can't even seem to find it on the map.

[rektbrah]

yeah pretty awesome that one company just sent people up (spacex? i think the name escapes me). I still think that space exploration should be a huge initiative of advanced countries across the globe

Yeah but governments don't have the money for that. It's the same with oil; it's needed but governments can't finance it. Companies actually started as governments paying a group of people to build something, and now they've evolved into what we have today.

[semaphore]

Define "before". If we look at the past 50 years compared to the past 300 years then yes, there's is a lot of advancement and it has gone up exponentially. But if we look over the past 20 years then it's not exponential.

That's the point.

[bals]

you were the first one to say technological growth was slowing down.
i need some kind of metric to base my answer upon.
don't worry, i know you're just going to dodge questions and try to make me look bad, because you have nothing.

Except I didn't say that, so now I know you're just straw maning. And I already pointed you towards my explainations. Since all you want to do is ignore anything you can't answer, I guess there's no point in me replying to you any more.

And again your internet example is still completely illogical. Simply rephrasing it doesn't actually explain how it shows anything whatsoever about the rate of growth.

Eh I personally feel that technology is moving slower than people give it credit for.

you said it's slower.(look i can bold too lolololol)
where's your metric.
still waiting.

[Sprocketz]

Advancement implies ease of use and speed, yes? A gun is more advanced than a sword because it can kill with a single bullet and just has to be aimed and shot. A car is better than a horse because you can travel faster. Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. I am aware of how simplistic I'm being as well. Guns do require skill to use, but it seems it is easier to shoot a man than to stab him.

[Deleted]

you mean explore or colonise?
cause we are exploring

[Skelington]

We are exploring right now. We'll probably get humans out of the solar system by the time your poll starts.

[Valort]

By explore I basically mean humans already having a fleet of space ships and personally going out to space and getting a closer look at the stars, planets, nebulas we already know, searching and studying new ones, searching for new life, colonizing livable planets, building space stations. If you've watched any of the Star Trek series it's basically what they're doing, exploring the final frontier!

In short, you want to know when will your children have a Romulan buddy in school?

[rektbrah]

That's the point.

It's still fast. Kids these days wont appreciate just how fast it is but the older generation will. If we compare 1930 - 1950 with 1990 - 2010 the 21st century is a lot faster.

[semaphore]

you said it's slower.(look i can bold too lolololol)

you were the first one to say technological growth was slowing down.

Oh look, I can read old posts too. I said it's slower than people think. You accused me of saying it's slowing down.

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It's still fast. Kids these days wont appreciate just how fast it is but the older generation will. If we compare 1930 - 1950 with 1990 - 2010 the 21st century is a lot faster.

I didn't say it wasn't fast in absolute terms. Don't shift the goal post. However, between 1930 and 1950 the world entered the atomic age, and computing become reality. I'd say those changes are much bigger than what we had in 1990-2010, which is mostly just the improvement and proliferation of technology developed in the preceding decades (the current generation of computers and the internet were both products of the 1970s).

The world has changed a lot in the last two decades, but less so for the technology behind those changes.

[btf]

im presuming by explore you mean leave our solar system??? - well i think it will be in the next 100-200 years when that happens, technology it still coming on in leaps and bounds and some ppl think that this century we wil have more discoveries than we did last century
i think we will start to colonize new worlds in the next 100 years, with the moon as a base and then mars

[Razeo]

We are exploring right now. We'll probably get humans out of the solar system by the time your poll starts.

By the word "explore" in the thread title, I meant humans traveling through interstellar space through our fleet of ships. Like I said in a previous post, it's basically similar to what happens in all the Star Trek series.

Too bad I can't change the thread title, I'd change "explore" to "travel".

[bals]

Oh look, I can read old posts too. I said it's slower than people think. You accused me of saying it's slowing down.

Ok, I may not have spoken so clearly.
where is your proof that technology isn't advancing as fast as people say it is?
is that clear?
going to try to shift the burden of proof on me again when you said it first?
still waiting on your metric so I can come up with a retort.
but I know it won't ever exist so...

[Temp name]

if you by "exploring" means we actaully go into deep space outselves, i'd say 23-2400's atleast. star trek'ish style wont happen though

[Sprocketz]

To respond to the original topic, I'll take the Halo approach. Makes sense, minus the Shaw-Fujikawa slipspace drives. 2400-2500, after we stabilize our international governments to a degree and band together to brave the new frontier.

[semaphore]

Ok, I may not have spoken so clearly.
where is your proof that technology isn't advancing as fast as people say it is?
is that clear?
going to try to shift the burden of proof on me again when you said it first?
still waiting on your metric so I can come up with a retort.
but I know it won't ever exist so...

Have you read any of my posts that aren't directly quoting you? Because you keep asking for things I already explained - and I keep telling you to read my explainations. It's fine if you want to ignore my posts, but don't keep asking for stuff if you don't want to read them.

[rektbrah]

I didn't say it wasn't fast in absolute terms. Don't shift the goal post. However, between 1930 and 1950 the world entered the atomic age, and computing become reality. I'd say those changes are much bigger than what we had in 1990-2010, which is mostly just the improvement of technology developed in the preceding decades.

You said it wasn't as fast as people give it credit for, when in fact, people aren't really exaggerating.

Yes, which is development which means it's faster. Different applications of technology are just as impressive as new technology.

To respond to the original topic, I'll take the Halo approach. Makes sense, minus the Shaw-Fujikawa slipspace drives. 2400-2500, after we stabilize our international governments to a degree and band together to brave the new frontier.

I don't see the governments banding together at all. We've had 2000 years for that to happen. Someone will probably decide to take over the world, however these days it's impossible due to nuclear weapons.

[Razeo]

if you by "exploring" means we actaully go into deep space outselves, i'd say 23-2400's atleast. star trek'ish style wont happen though

It doesn't have to be like Star Trek (the human race in that universe is just too enlightened to the point where its completely unrealistic). I'm just using that as an example for general purposes in terms of actually travelling through space.