Prot. Warriors are completely useless!

[Gouca]

Played a flag carrier in an RBG for a change.

I was being hit for:

• 27-34k double Ambush by Rogues
• 31-36k instant Lava Burst by Shamans
• 21-29k Frostbolts by Mages
• 29-34k Chimera Shots by Hunters
• 24-31k Frost Strikes by DKs

I mean, spells - fine, but shouldn't my 4.7k resilience + 62% Phys. DMG reduction via armor provide a better damage reduction vs. Hunters / Rogues / DKs? Any decent Rogue / Elemental shaman could solo me in 3-5 seconds -.-

[Brewski]

You should have 5.2k+ resil... 4.7k seems really low. Also if you're getting solo'd in 3-5 seconds you must be doing something wrong. Maybe get a better healer?

[crylo]

You should have 5.2k+ resil... 4.7k seems really low. Also if you're getting solo'd in 3-5 seconds you must be doing something wrong. Maybe get a better healer?

This. You should really have 5.2K resil or more. I don't know why you have Avoidance/Stam or Stam gems? Yes, you're making the bonus with them, but you're losing 20 resil that way per gem anyways.

Avoidance + Stam aren't needed as much, stack resil. Use PvP ring, use PvP shield/weapon; I know you might not have the weapon/shield since you're saying you're trying it just now, but you probably have a ring.

Also armor doesn't mean much when Rogues have Find Weakness etc. There's a lot of different things you should try to do differently, but most importantly, fix your current gemming. Get as much resil as possible.

[Adramalech]

Also, out of the things you listed, only Ambush is physical, and even then it ignores 70% armor with Find Weakness.

Chimera Shot deals nature damage, therefore ignores armor.
Frost Strike deals frost damage, therefore ignores armor.

Also, what the people above me said.

[Rorke]

OP seems to think that since he's a tank, that he should be invincible to all forms of burst damage. As a tank, you're meant to only live a little longer than a dps spec and offer more utility at the expense of dealing no damage.

Like everyone else said get rid of stamina gems and stack resilience. There is no cap for resilience. The more of it you have, the better.

[Deleted]

Wow this thread is embarrassing in many ways.
First of all, you think prot war is a sht FC ?
Weird then that EVERY team wants a War fc, RLLY WEIRD.
Second of all, you are running with 4.7k resi ? rlly ?
PVE weap and shield AND ring ? rlly?
Gemming stam n mastery n parry ? rlly ?

But lets keep it serious,
Go full pvp gear and gem full resi, gg.
You should be at 5400 resi.

Btw, those crits you posted..
Are you sure you didnt have a few stacks ?
Bet you did
Even if you didnt, you think you're not suppose to take 30k dmg whn dpsers
go mad full cds on you ? ofc they should
Because you should have 1-2 healers with you.

But again, let me really make this clear,
you need to go all out resi.. simple

[Xista]

Are you using all of your abilities? You have to keep demo shout, thunder clap up. Disarm melee if they use strong cooldowns, and shield block. Gag order-heroic throw rampaging casters. When the enemy makes a push to your base after a few stacks, they're looking to kill you as fast as possible. I'm sure some of those large numbers are coming from strong cooldowns + abilities that ignore armor + debuff stacks.

Also state on vent what cooldowns you're using, so healers don't overlap a Pain Sup. with a Shield Wall.

Even if you change your gems, etc, to what the above people have posted, you may not find yourself taking noticeably less damage. To even get into some mid-high rated BGs, you need to have either legendaries or heroic DS gear. Or both. And with the 25% nerf on DS in place, there are only going to be more and more Heroic Deathwing weapons in circulation until MoP comes out.

[PizzaSHARK]

OP seems to think that since he's a tank, that he should be invincible to all forms of burst damage. As a tank, you're meant to only live a little longer than a dps spec and offer more utility at the expense of dealing no damage.

Like everyone else said get rid of stamina gems and stack resilience. There is no cap for resilience. The more of it you have, the better.

This. Ignore socket bonuses unless they're +resil and use pure yellow (Mystic) resil gems in every socket. Enchant for resil. If you're OCD like me and are obsessed with matching socket colors, you can still have resil in every socket - use resil/stam (Steady) for blue sockets and parry/resil (Splendid, epic quality only) for red. If you don't have 20 expertise (PvP softcap) you can use expertise/resil (Tenuous.)

Get rid of your PvE weapon and PvE shield; that'll get you an extra 320 resilience right away, which would get you to 5k. Get rid of that PvE ring, too - you're a tank, not a rogue, you can't afford to wear any PvE pieces.

[Asmodejjj]

Nice PvE items. If you're getting trashed on, you should consider using CC.

[Emophia]

You resilience is horribly low for an FC, also if you're getting solod in 5-6 seconds as prot you should maybe use your plethora of abilities to maybe control them instead of just standing there like a dolt.

[Mormolyce]

When you say RBG do you mean rated or random lol.

Like everyone said your gear isn't ideal but even so sounds like your real problem is crappy heals.

P.S. The reason Prot Warriors are the FC of choice is because of their massive control and mobility. So pro tip: use those.

[Mirishka]

Played a flag carrier in an RBG for a change. This is my armory:

http://maskedarmory.com/anonymous-wo...ile-85198.html

I was being hit for:

• 27-34k double Ambush by Rogues
• 31-36k instant Lava Burst by Shamans
• 21-29k Frostbolts by Mages
• 29-34k Chimera Shots by Hunters
• 24-31k Frost Strikes by DKs

I mean, spells - fine, but shouldn't my 4.7k resilience + 62% Phys. DMG reduction via armor provide a better damage reduction vs. Hunters / Rogues / DKs? Any decent Rogue / Elemental shaman could solo me in 3-5 seconds -.-

Your getting pulverized in PvP doesn't really speak of the class as a whole, sadly. I've done WSG with far less resilience than you, and flag carried like a champ. Last time I ran it, people were singing my praises the entire BG. By your logic, I should post a "Prot warriors are completely OP!" topic.

[PizzaSHARK]

When you say RBG do you mean rated or random lol.

Like everyone said your gear isn't ideal but even so sounds like your real problem is crappy heals.

P.S. The reason Prot Warriors are the FC of choice is because of their massive control and mobility. So pro tip: use those.

But how is he gonna click Rend if he's doing all of that?

[Stormspellz]

you may be a tank spec, that doesn't give you a free pass to get punched in the face for free all day, prot has the utility and mobility to avoid a lot of things the other tank specs can't.

[ophion1990]

Prot warriors are pretty much the best FCs, just don't go for parry. It's really complete shit in PvP. Go all out resilience and stamina and for the love of all that is holy, get rid of the PvE gear like some other people have already mentioned.

[Deleted]

Nit picking, shamans don't have instant lava burst without EM, with that, yeah any class can get hit for 30k+ on top gear. Simply put, if you see Unleash Weapon/Elemental Mastery when you got flame shock on you, pop a DC or you're gonna have a bad time. If you mean the overload proc, there's no way overload hits that hard, it's only 50% of the main damage with spell coefficients included.

You probably have stacks of assault on you.

And if you let an elemental shaman focus on you so easily, then get some CC on him, call out to teammates or blow defensive cds. Ele has insane and reliable burst with CDs up.

[Gandrake]

I mean, spells - fine, but shouldn't my 4.7k resilience + 62% Phys. DMG reduction via armor provide a better damage reduction vs. Hunters / Rogues / DKs? Any decent Rogue / Elemental shaman could solo me in 3-5 seconds -.-

gonna have to learn how to spell reflect and use stuns

RBGs isn't just "get the flag and watch retards fight in mid", it is an organized battle between two teams that can communicate with each other and are working towards the goal of winning.

you're gonna have to leap out of smoke bombs, you're going to have to use your trinket to make sure you don't get locked in a smoke bomb or MC'd with dots on you, you're going to have to provide an offensive defense for yourself when you can't avoid a fight by stunning people and interrupting their casts as much as possible. You can't just blow all of your damn cooldowns in mid either, that's how you die in a smoke bomb.

Also, your setup should look very similar to this.

[PizzaSHARK]

gonna have to learn how to spell reflect and use stuns

RBGs isn't just "get the flag and watch retards fight in mid", it is an organized battle between two teams that can communicate with each other and are working towards the goal of winning.

you're gonna have to leap out of smoke bombs, you're going to have to use your trinket to make sure you don't get locked in a smoke bomb or MC'd with dots on you, you're going to have to provide an offensive defense for yourself when you can't avoid a fight by stunning people and interrupting their casts as much as possible. You can't just blow all of your damn cooldowns in mid either, that's how you die in a smoke bomb.

Also, your setup should look very similar to this.

Replace the orange gem in the helmet with pure resil. The socket bonus isn't resil and you only need 1 red to activate the meta. Looks pretty ideal otherwise.

[Deleted]

It's about your teams gameplay that you're getting shit on.

[jeck9]

chimera shot is out of hand