Unpopular Opinion Thread

[notorious98]

People say 'it takes time'... Yeah, it takes time, but WoW has never had any particular great decline, like the others have. It hasn't lost over half its population. SWTOR is still in it's infancy, and is headed towards F2P Land. It's pretty much gauranteed at this point to not be able to recover to any extent. JUst like everything else.

Stupid unsubstantiated comments are stupid. Quick question. When did SWG go F2P? Never? TOR won't either. If what EA said was true and they only need 500k subs to turn a profit, it'll stay P2P. Now, go back to playing WoW, fanboy.

Oh yeah, WoW has had a great decline. Unless you consider losing 2 million subs to remaining even.

[obdigore]

Bethesda can't even handle making a non-buggy single player game, god help the people who play that MMO for the first year.

You know, I can't think of a single game I've played at any point recently that had no bugs on release. Be it single or multiplayer. Imagine that.

[wombinator04]

Here's something you might not realize. Before World of Warcraft, the MMORPG genre was an extremely small niche. Very, very few people played them. World of Warcraft caught on, somehow. Over the years, it has become one of the most accessible games out there. No MMORPG will ever reach the popularity of World of Warcraft, even when World of Warcraft finally settles down into the realm of typical MMORPG numbers. There's a big difference between your normal, run-of-the-mill World of Warcraft player, and someone who truly enjoys MMORPGs as a genre. So ask yourself, did you ever like an MMORPG other than World of Warcraft? What got you into World of Warcraft to begin with? Probably because you knew someone in real life that got you into it, and even if they don't play anymore, you've gotten yourself well-acquainted with the game.

Great post. Agree 100%.
I feel people who truly enjoy the MMO genre are wanting change, or people are just sick of WoW and want to try something different.
A lot of people and I mean A LOT of people will never leave WoW or have trouble leaving because of the familiarity or they've spent so much time in the game and have earned a lot of things and they don't want to leave that.
I can't quit WoW because of those very reasons. I've been playing too long, I know this game inside and out and I don't feel like leaving. Believe me I've tried several times lol. My longest inactive for like a year and that's all I could stand.

[Artravus]

I have to interject my unpopular opinion.

SWTOR is still in its infancy.
It's adding in features that many feel are standard anymore. It's got some catching up to do, but I feel it can hit its stride soon.

Yeah I like SWTOR, even WoW wasn't good for the first few years after its release.

[Edge-]

Stupid unsubstantiated comments are stupid. Quick question. When did SWG go F2P? Never? TOR won't either. If what EA said was true and they only need 500k subs to turn a profit, it'll stay P2P. Now, go back to playing WoW, fanboy.

Oh yeah, WoW has had a great decline. Unless you consider losing 2 million subs to remaining even.

If EA/BW see higher profits in transition to F2P, they will do it. Just as other companies have. You don't have to be failing to transition (and it's not a bad thing at all), there just needs to be more potential money to be made.

And it lost 2 million from 12 million and has evened out, losing no subscribers (of any note anyways) during the same quarter that SWTOR launched. That's quite a feat. WoW has had a decline, but for an 8 year old game it's overwhelming the most successful MMO around.

[Wynnyelle]

Bioware has not made a good game since Dragon Age: Origins.
Bethesda games are good, but highly overrated and overhyped.
Skyrim didn't deserve GOTY.
End-game in MMOs is not fun and is basically the same thing as grinding.
I think that MoP will be worse than Cataclysm.
I think that the Elder Scrolls MMO is going to flop hard.

[Digglett]

Bioware has not made a good game since Dragon Age: Origins.
Bethesda games are good, but highly overrated and overhyped.
Skyrim didn't deserve GOTY.
End-game in MMOs is not fun and is basically the same thing as grinding.
I think that MoP will be worse than Cataclysm.
I think that the Elder Scrolls MMO is going to flop hard.

I actually agree like, 100% with everything you said.

[wombinator04]

Bioware has not made a good game since Dragon Age: Origins.
Bethesda games are good, but highly overrated and overhyped.
Skyrim didn't deserve GOTY.
End-game in MMOs is not fun and is basically the same thing as grinding.
I think that MoP will be worse than Cataclysm.
I think that the Elder Scrolls MMO is going to flop hard.

I will agree with you on Skyrim not deserving GOTY. But it was too big and hyped for people not to give it GOTY.
The game has no depth.

[Deleted]

I'm currently trying Tera and I have to say that I am really amazed by the gameplay. I'm on EU servers and EU is currently a bit behind with the patch progress iirc. It doesn't matter. Tera is the first game which takes some skill and nuts. I'm still confused about some game mechanics but right now I enjoy Tera a lot. I'm so glad they don't have such a dumbed down tab-targetting system. WoW gets boring over the time.

[shimerra]

You know, I can't think of a single game I've played at any point recently that had no bugs on release. Be it single or multiplayer. Imagine that.

There's bugs that happen at launch because no one is perfect, and then there's Bethesda games. I mean hell ps3 launched with a bug that made Skyrim completely unplayable after X hours played and that took months to fix. I always liked zeropuncation's comment that every Elder's Scroll game eventually turns into a "what bug did you run into" conversation. I get it, you're a fan of the series so you're willing to look past it but their track record given their development of single player offline games is pretty bad.

Not to mention they've pretty much just been remaking the same exact game, change the city or nuclear holocaust to fantasy world. Not that I haven't enjoyed them from time to time but I mean come on.

[wombinator04]

I'm currently trying Tera and I have to say that I am really amazed by the gameplay. I'm on EU servers and EU is currently a bit behind with the patch progress iirc. It doesn't matter. Tera is the first game which takes some skill and nuts. I'm still confused about some game mechanics but right now I enjoy Tera a lot. I'm so glad they don't have such a dumbed down tab-targetting system. WoW gets boring over the time.

You must be a lunatic. Tera has the most crappy, horrible, generic, bad in every way questing I've ever seen. I couldn't stand the game anymore because I couldn't get to max level before I wanted to shoot myself.

But I do love the combat and the style of the game. Just a shame they were incredibly lazy designing the questing system.

[Remilia]

You must be a lunatic. Tera has the most crappy, horrible, generic, bad in every way questing I've ever seen. I couldn't stand the game anymore because I couldn't get to max level before I wanted to shoot myself.

But I do love the combat and the style of the game. Just a shame they were incredibly lazy designing the questing system.

Quest system for all games are the same. You can disguise it as much as you want, but it's going to be, deliver, kill, collect, defend / escort and such. You're not going to be able to change that.

[obdigore]

There's bugs that happen at launch because no one is perfect, and then there's Bethesda games. I mean hell ps3 launched with a bug that made Skyrim completely unplayable after X hours played and that took months to fix. I always liked zeropuncation's comment that every Elder's Scroll game eventually turns into a "what bug did you run into" conversation. I get it, you're a fan of the series so you're willing to look past it but their track record given their development of single player offline games is pretty bad.

I don't disagree with that. I just disagree with the whole 'only bethesda releases games with bugs' line you said. I agree they need more quality control, but hey, I'd rather get their games sooner with them as buggy as their releases have been then wait a couple more months for them, but I'm selfish.

[inboundpaper]

Skyrim was a step back in gameplay for the series
Bioware does not make RPG's anymore
Bad players ruined Halo
Vehicles ruin Battlefield gameplay
CoD4 was not the best mp of the series
People whack off to Classic WoW to much, I was there it was not that much better.
And a bunch more.

[shimerra]

I don't disagree with that. I just disagree with the whole 'only bethesda releases games with bugs' line you said. I agree they need more quality control, but hey, I'd rather get their games sooner with them as buggy as their releases have been then wait a couple more months for them, but I'm selfish.

Everyone releases games with bugs. Bethesda is just worse about what bugs they let through, quite a bit worse too. So I'm not sure where you read that I'm somehow being unfair to bethesda. I just am of the opinion that out of all the game developers out there they are perhaps the worst certainly one of the worst offenders given their extremely popular status. Combine that with the fact that out of almost any game type I've played MMOs are almost inherently more glitchy/buggy at launch in my experience and the prospect of a Bethesda MMO has me cringing about what the first few months will be like.

As skelington said it's really the modding community that make their games up to snuff.

[Skelington]

I don't disagree with that. I just disagree with the whole 'only bethesda releases games with bugs' line you said. I agree they need more quality control, but hey, I'd rather get their games sooner with them as buggy as their releases have been then wait a couple more months for them, but I'm selfish.

But you're paying for what is essentially an unfinished game. Bethesda shouldn't be releasing bug-filled games and then relying on modders to fix the problems. Pushing the release is something every company should avoid.

[Remilia]

Everyone releases games with bugs. Bethesda is just worse about what bugs they let through.

Except for dragon punting in Skyrim, that was hilarious. Then they patched it and then I was sad...

[Digglett]

Except for dragon punting in Skyrim, that was hilarious. Then they patched it and then I was sad...

The best thing about Skyrim and they take it out, all of my sad faces.

[DieFichte]

Why do people speak of Elder Scrolls MMO and Bethesda, only because they hold the franchise, doesn't say they develop the TES MMO, which they don't.

[shimerra]

Why do people speak of Elder Scrolls MMO and Bethesda, only because they hold the franchise, doesn't say they develop the TES MMO, which they don't.

The same reason people railed about EA and ToR because EA might have their sticky fingers in the pie while it's being cooked, because they did. Same reason given Bethesda's track record in the creation of their own games doesn't spark confidence in me about a studio they pick to help them create a MMO.