Anaxie's Totally Magnificent ToT Retribution T15 BiS & Theorycraft

[anaxie]

You post alot Reith so I'm sure you can take care of it. I have little patience with them after so long.

I would raise questions on if they plan to add all 4 2handers or if they are fucking those specs over intentionally.

[Natureseer]

wowhead seems to have loot tables. i dunno if they are right (particularly the ra-den loot table which is too massive to be believable) but heres a link

http://www.wowhead.com/news=210658/5...er-loot-tables

and thanks for your hard work ^.^

[anaxie]

wowhead seems to have loot tables. i dunno if they are right (particularly the ra-den loot table which is too massive to be believable) but heres a link

http://www.wowhead.com/news=210658/5...er-loot-tables

and thanks for your hard work ^.^

.... and the items I specifically stated are not slotted among many other items. I didn't just start playing here.

I have a horrible feeling we are going to see the dreaded, failed design that is the shared loot tables.

And yes the ra-den loot table is accurate. That is the amount of bloat. Considering his table and the missing items I'm almost certain there will be random loot drops. Get used to have a 1700 hit weapon guys sword is off 3rd boss.

[Revvo]

Shots fired.

[anaxie]

Shots fired.

Did Vigilate give you permission to post?

[Revvo]

Did Vigilate give you permission to post?

Lol I beat him on Will today, he's so mad.

[anaxie]

Lol I beat him on Will today, he's so mad.

Because will matters with hundreds of different strats just like almost every T14 boss.

Hey want rank 1? Go back in time witht he perma gg mages and HA: storm spam the pile in the last 20 seconds.

[Revvo]

Because will matters with hundreds of different strats just like almost every T14 boss.

Hey want rank 1? Go back in time witht he perma gg mages and HA: storm spam the pile in the last 20 seconds.

I said nothing about ranks, they don't matter. Especially with the Higher iLevels of Asian servers, ranks don't mean shit anymore.

[anaxie]

On the other hand the shit these loot tables out a a few weeks ago instantly and we see very few tagged TF offset non ra-den items. Likely still slotting items on bosses and implementing TF drops and HOPEFULLY stat tweaks.

Doubtful on stat tweaks however..... and ret pve buffs

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I said nothing about ranks, they don't matter. Especially with the Higher iLevels of Asian servers, ranks don't mean shit anymore.

Well Vigilate is bad so I'm not surprised u beat hamster paladin.

[Sunshine]

Hey guys, this isn't a chat thread. Let's get back on topic, please.

(And if you want a thread just for random chat, feel free to head over to the new Chat Zone and create your own thread or hop in the existing chat threads. )

[Joeseidon]

Some player speculation that the Crit/Haste sword is a trash drop. Possible but unlikely?

[anaxie]

Some player speculation that the Crit/Haste sword is a trash drop. Possible but unlikely?

It's possible but... unlikely
We should see a major PTR update tommorow.

[Natureseer]

.... and the items I specifically stated are not slotted among many other items. I didn't just start playing here.

I have a horrible feeling we are going to see the dreaded, failed design that is the shared loot tables.

And yes the ra-den loot table is accurate. That is the amount of bloat. Considering his table and the missing items I'm almost certain there will be random loot drops. Get used to have a 1700 hit weapon guys sword is off 3rd boss.

hehe wow ur like the nicest person lol jk. i suppose its possible they are doing shared loot tables. but its also possible that the rest of the items such as our haste sword just havent been labeled for boss drops yet, considering that, generally speaking, all bosses that dont drop tier have the same number of items on their loot table. the bosses with the most 'confirmed' drops (using that term loosely) have 21 items on their loot table, and others have 18-19, which means they are probably missing items. obviously im speculating, plz dont be mad

[Reith]

On the other hand the shit these loot tables out a a few weeks ago instantly and we see very few tagged TF offset non ra-den items. Likely still slotting items on bosses and implementing TF drops and HOPEFULLY stat tweaks.

I'd bet that the crit/haste sword is going to drop from Megaera if it's going to be a loot drop from any specific boss.

[anaxie]

I'd bet that the crit/haste sword is going to drop from Megaera if it's going to be a loot drop from any specific boss.

Megera for sword Durumu for spear is my guess.
Mostly because their tables are fairly uninteresting atm for Str dps.

I am totally digging Jin'rhoks loot table tho.

Random stats socket bracers and Blade lord super belt 2.0
the bracers and fact they have sockets should blow away H:elite: bracers even if 2/2d

I feel like the best sustained buff they could give to ret is re-implement the old sparkle hands vengence but have it stack on Templar strikes. 2% damage per stack since I would say a 6% overall buff to rets damage is pretty much the sustained we are missing.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

don't know why the racial discussion goes on, GC has said that racials are outdated and they'd wish people chose race because of lore and looks instead of that 1% benefit etc. It wouldn't suprise me if racial bonuses went away in the next expansion pack.

[Bonkura]

Some concerns I'd raise as a Ret for next raid would be to fix Tortos and Megaera.

All DPS will probably have to switch to the turtle adds on Tortos to get them down in time to hit the boss before he shits on the raid. They move around really fast and knock you away. During progress I'm sure all guilds will try stack ranged here.

On Megaera you get a debuff which might get dropped in the raid basically disabling melee from even hitting the boss if it ends up being dispelled there. A slow dispel is gonna screw you over as well. You also have to somehow stand behind the head you're nuking to avoid the breaths. If you're in a guild with healers who have bad awareness or just struggling to keep the raid up they will eventually ask to replace melees with ranged.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

I feel like the best sustained buff they could give to ret is re-implement the old sparkle hands vengence but have it stack on Templar strikes. 2% damage per stack since I would say a 6% overall buff to rets damage is pretty much the sustained we are missing.

2% per stack up to 3 (6% total) on any finisher, could add in wog + eternal flame (3 hopo) if they don't want us to be punished by being support... but yeah I agree.

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Some concerns I'd raise as a Ret for next raid would be to fix Tortos and Megaera.

All DPS will probably have to switch to the turtle adds on Tortos to get them down in time to hit the boss before he shits on the raid. They move around really fast and knock you away. During progress I'm sure all guilds will try stack ranged here.

On Megaera you get a debuff which might get dropped in the raid basically disabling melee from even hitting the boss if it ends up being dispelled there. A slow dispel is gonna screw you over as well. You also have to somehow stand behind the head you're nuking to avoid the breaths. If you're in a guild with healers who have bad awareness or just struggling to keep the raid up they will eventually ask to replace melees with ranged.

I'm just saying this now, if you got a heavy melee roster and you play a ret. level a new character and try to convince your officers to gear boost your alt so you can reroll it. Not gonna be much use (if any) for a ret pala in the next tier, I can think of 2 maybe 3 fights where the extra raid (magic) cds would help but the ammount of target switching, cleave/aoe and melee unfriendly fights is gonna kill our value.

[anaxie]

I havn't swapped from ret TBC - Now I'm hardly going to let this hiccup of racial imbalance and a ranged gimmic boss make me reroll. The advice is poor and only makes the situation worse. If you rerolll you may aswell call it GG with how MoP gear levels work.

And please T11 and T14 were said to be melee unfriendly. From my PoV that was hardly the case aside from Elite Protectors which was still quite simple.

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don't know why the racial discussion goes on, GC has said that racials are outdated and they'd wish people chose race because of lore and looks instead of that 1% benefit etc. It wouldn't suprise me if racial bonuses went away in the next expansion pack.

Please they say this after making Pandarens well fed racial

It's free money and they know it. they will never gut the racials.

[Bonkura]

I'm just saying this now, if you got a heavy melee roster and you play a ret. level a new character and try to convince your officers to gear boost your alt so you can reroll it. Not gonna be much use (if any) for a ret pala in the next tier, I can think of 2 maybe 3 fights where the extra raid (magic) cds would help but the ammount of target switching, cleave/aoe and melee unfriendly fights is gonna kill our value.

If you play 10-man as Ret you have to be fucking awesome at it, especially since you will most of the times fight for the only melee spot. In 25-man you have different %'s to play with so you can spread your DPS accordingly. T15 doesn't look that bad for Ret IMO, it's just couple of fights where the spec might be seen as useless. With 14 bosses I personally wouldn't get upset about having to sit out for couple of fights.

When it comes to gearing I'd just grab as many heroic pieces as possible no matter stats and save DKP/coins for weapons. Waiting for BiS items will just make you go insane after couple of months in this raid.