Is Ench/JC worth the headache?

[Syladia]

I've got 4 toons in total that I play regularly. Only one of them has max professions (Mining/JC). The other 3 are sitting there being useless except for the raiding/PVP I do casually.

Lately I've been thinking of leveling Ench/JC for some end-of-expansion gold making, plus going into MoP. Problem is, I've heard from a lot of people that not only are they major headaches to skill up, but expensive too. I've only got about 4500g to my name, so I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on taking the plunge or holding off.

[smegdawg]

Definately worth it. But if you truly only have access to 4500g don't buy the mats. farm it yourself. May take longer, but what else are you going to do?

[Deleted]

Ok this is my suggested strategy.
Decide who your raiding character is and make him the jc enchanter.
I will probably mean you need to drop the mining for enchanting and then have a miner herber or miner skinner on another character.

Problem 1 Major headache skilling. Use a leveling guide. If you wnat to do it the cheapest way then use a combination of mats you cna find on the ah, but gather items at a cheap price over a few weeks. It should work out 50% cheaper than gathering them from the ah in a few days i.e throwing money at the problem. Skilling isnt hard you just need to gather the mats as suggested via a leveling guide. Ask any experienced rich jc in guild what to do and you cna cut gems for them if needed, especially metagems for the skill points 500-525.

Problem 2 expense. Go and mine tons of ore, check your ah and see whats selling. old tbc ores make money but it all depends on which server. Get a prospecting guide so where you cnat find the stuff on the ah then you will need to mine and prospect the ore. Sell any remaining gems you prospect. Its always a choice, sell the ore and buy the gems you wnat or prospect the ore hoping it yield the gems you want. You will have to gauge whther its useful to propsect or just sell the ore.

The more money you make the more you cna use the ah. I think Jc will cost you about 10k to level to 525 but all servers are different.

Enchanting

This is much harder to level and expensive than JC. Very few of the enchants you make will sell. To level you need to get a leveling guide.
You will need mats, so get a disenchanting guide. Use the leveling guide and check the mats, then check the ah to see if they are expensive or not, then you have 2 options if they are too expensive. 1.Go and farm greens in the relevant 5man yo disenchant. 2, go and farm ore to make gold so you can buy mats.

Gather the mats over time when the prices are low. Enchanting costs more than JC to level imo.

Should you do enchanting and JC now? They are a powerful combination but if the purpose is to make money then you have to put the effort in. No effort and you wont sell anything. That means finding what people want and selling at the cheapest price.

You will be hard pushed to make decent money as a newcomer at the end of an expansion. It is server dependant, but a high pop and active guilds is always good. You can try the shuffle, but you may or may not make much money.

If it were me, then I would level them, but not worry too much about profits now, but make sure i was 525 jc ench so I could level to 600 quite quickly in mop and sell the new enchants and gems. O would not wait till Mop came out, but get your 525 now. This wikll put you on par with all the other maxed jcs and ench in MOP, unfortunately you cnat be as good in cata becayse you wont have all the recipes.

Summary
Yes do it.
It will be expensive but you can do it cheaper if you plan.
Its hard to make money at end of expansion(not impossible). I would aim for 50k before MOP.
When MOP comes focus on getting the recipes and whatever skill you need so you cna do dailies to get the jc recipes. Rare recipes will mean you cna sell your items for more. This is when to make large amounts of money.

You will make more if you learn how it works and put effort in. JC and ench dont generate money without this.

[cptaylor38]

Yes. Level them. It only took me 5 days of casual playtime to level jewelcrafting and it wasn't very costly because I gathered the mats myself. I had been putting it off forever and it was really nice to have it maxed out. It's a pain to try to do dailies to get one recipe, so I would just max it out and save it for Mists and make bank. For the last like 25 points.. I had to make some fist weapons to cheat my way up high enough to make pvp jewelry and then I was able to get max'd out without waiting to do dailies. It's a little bit pricier and more wasteful but it's nice knowing you don't have to worry about it. You will also have a free 5 points when Darkmoon comes around so I suggest you get a move on!


Enchanting is a breeze. It's a little annoying and takes a lot of mats or gold at times, but it's really really nice to have. I have it max on my ally lock and horde shaman. Just make sure to get as much as you can on your own and DEFINITELYY!!!!! follow the 1-525 powerleveling guides that come up first thing when you google them.. they will be a huge help.

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http://www.wow-professions.com/wowgu...ing-guide.html and http://www.wow-professions.com/wowgu...ing_guide.html I would also look into the mining one if you need mining mats. Same guide. Just browse for whatever. I would suggest tailoring and enchanting - mining and jewelcrafting - skinning and leatherworking. I haven't leveled inscription or engineering but leatherworking has been by far the most annoying. Far worse than enchanting and jewelcrafting.

[Zeglo]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I was wondering how good a combo JC/Alch is and will be? I wanted to go JC/Ench originally because I'd only require one gathering source, but lately I've really been liking alchemy. I know transmutes are good, but I am not sure what the complication would be with requiring both herbs and minerals. Also, I am not sure in general how benefits would compare to enchanting.

[Deleted]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I was wondering how good a combo JC/Alch is and will be? I wanted to go JC/Ench originally because I'd only require one gathering source, but lately I've really been liking alchemy. I know transmutes are good, but I am not sure what the complication would be with requiring both herbs and minerals. Also, I am not sure in general how benefits would compare to enchanting.

JC alchemy is good becayse at the moment you could use transmute mastery. Alchemy excpet for the first 4 months of cata has been very poor. The reason being is that cauldrons replaced flasks. In MOP flasks will again need to be boyght in greater quantities and you will be able to sell more. Alchemy will be a lot more profitable because people will want to raid again.

If I had a choice though I would have ench/jc because they make money for longer if you are prepared to put the effort in.

MOP is still in beta sp things can change which affect professions.

My only other tip is be sure to have on an alt a gatherer to mean you have access to mats outside the ah.

[gibbie99]

Let me put it like this. Yes itisveryexpensive to level both but you can make that back in a week with the shuffle. Jc is extremely profitable

[Marahdeka]

Enchanting+JC is a very good combo for making gold, go for it.

[Thelxi]

4.5k gold is very little gold to level ench/JC with. I'd start with getting mats with your miner to level up JC.

[vian]

JC alchemy is good becayse at the moment you could use transmute mastery. Alchemy excpet for the first 4 months of cata has been very poor. The reason being is that cauldrons replaced flasks. In MOP flasks will again need to be boyght in greater quantities and you will be able to sell more. Alchemy will be a lot more profitable because people will want to raid again.

If I had a choice though I would have ench/jc because they make money for longer if you are prepared to put the effort in.

MOP is still in beta sp things can change which affect professions.

My only other tip is be sure to have on an alt a gatherer to mean you have access to mats outside the ah.

If you take up Alchemy for the profit in transmutes, you're doing it all wrong. Potion mastery is where the gold's at.

[Deleted]

Farming the materials yourself has been suggested serveral times in this thread and from personal experience I know that it is the way to go for people who have some time on their hands and like to farm.
I farmed materials for JC and Blacksmithing from 0-525 using guides that have a compiled material list. I farmed a bit more here and there and altogether it took me like 2 weekends I would say, although I played pretty excessively. The costs though are amazingly low, 0 if you farm everything and a bit higher if you buy random materials like easence of undeath or something where you dont need a ton of.

[Deleted]

If you take up Alchemy for the profit in transmutes, you're doing it all wrong. Potion mastery is where the gold's at.

All servers are different. Just because you might be finding success with potions doesnt mean it will be good on other servers. The transmute mastery makes the shuffle more convenient and the shuffle has been the path to gold for a large number of people.

[vian]

All servers are different. Just because you might be finding success with potions doesnt mean it will be good on other servers. The transmute mastery makes the shuffle more convenient and the shuffle has been the path to gold for a large number of people.

And yet, I've been active on 5 seperate servers through out this expansion, and Potion mastery has been the moneymaker.
All it takes is 1-2 decent raiding guilds and you're settled.

[Deleted]

And yet, I've been active on 5 seperate servers through out this expansion, and Potion mastery has been the moneymaker.
All it takes is 1-2 decent raiding guilds and you're settled.

You dont need an alchemist to make money from alchemy. The bonus is 15-20%. Any decent raiding guild will have an alchemist of each type to make its own stuff. If you have found potion mastery profitable for you then thats, good. I also make decent money from it, but there are more people making decent money from the shuffle and using transmute mastery to proc the extra inferno rubies and diamonds. It is quite easy to get most of the benefiys of an alchemist by just getting someone in guild with the relevant specialty to make the potions, flasks or transmutes for you. I dont worry myself which branch is the most profitable as I use the appropriate specialist depending on whether I want potions, flasks or transmutes. The market can decide what sells I just make sure I meet the demand.

[xskarma]

If you are doing this on a whim, then no, it's not going to be worth it. And worth to me means in this case time invested as much as actual gold, since with the low amount of gold you have you'll need to farm mats yourself a lot. To make it worth it you need to USE your professions after you get them, and not for a week or 2 and then get bored with it again.

If you are going to start leveling professions and have the number of toons you indicate, I'd go the extra mile and make a herber/alchemist too. That's an easy combo to do and can make you a bit of gold on the side and help you in the long run with shuffeling ore, like you seem to intend with JC/Ench. In fact, I would suggest taking your second most played toon and making them a herbalist/alchemist and level that toon's profs first, it should only take a day, maybe 2 to do that if you sit down and concentrate on farming for the duration. Then use the gold you can make with this on helping you bankroll the professions on your most played toon.

Some links that will help:

Free professions guides, just ignore the blatent advertising for gold making guides and the like

Free guide on the basics of shuffeling ore

[sek2001]

yes they are, also cannot wait to craft the JC mount.

[Farabee]

Less the headache of the initial cost and more the headache of camping your gem auctions since they get undercut 5 times an hour.

If you have the time and the resources though, nothing is as steady of a money maker.

[Syladia]

Update: On my Rogue, I decided I'd pick up Mining and JC, since having another Miner wouldn't hurt if I could level them together. I have done so successfully since I posted my OP, and am now sitting at 500 Mining/JC and will hit 525 on both today. Through a combination of mining my own ore, prospecting, and buying the rarer gems off the AH, I've managed to keep my cost down to around 4k. Now that I'm at later levels of JC, though, I'm starting to make it back.

While leveling JC and making jewelry, I sent all my crafted items to my Hunter, on whom I have taken up Enchanting. He has pages of mailbox waiting to be disenchanted. Only beef I've had is that Enchanting is a pain in the butt to level, apparently. Is there a trick to doing the "Are you sure you want to replace +5 Health with +5 Health" faster?

Side-note, I'm planning on making my Priest an Herb/Alch, since I've found I actually don't hate farming.
Thanks for the advice guys!

[Pulverize]

Absolutely. level them. I've made over 100k in the past 2 weeks alone from casual ore shuffling off JC alone. As many others have suggested, gathering is a great option when your limited in resources.

[jimmy valmer]

Go for it man. Not only is it profitable but you will have access to it yourself and make gemming enchanting easier.