Shadow Priest on Warmaster Blackhorn

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I have a shadow priest in my guild that i think is doing below average performance in our raids. Especially multi target fights such as Warmaster Blackhorn. The priest claims that he's doing what he can, but i question his skills.
He says he's not doing anything wrong and that he's supposed to do that amount of damage but i've seen better and i know shadow priests is one of the top classes on a fight like Warmaster. But since i suck at shadow priest i thought i could make a thread here in the priest section and maybe get some feedback that i can show him.

- World of Logs
The log is from our kill yesterday evening. He usually does 20-25k on Warmaster. During our progressions he did about 15-20k dps when he was using normal gear.

- Armory Link
He is logged out in healing gear/spec as i write this, but he's got BiS in shadow gear except legendary staff.

At one point in the log he's doing 0 dps for like 14 seconds: 19:57:48 to 19:58:02. He's healing at that point and probably using dispersion after = no dps. So that's fine in my book. But would appreciate it alot of anyone had some useful feedback from their shadow priest experience on that fight.

[Soisoisoi]

Mind Blast is his top damaging spell so he's obviously not Multi-dotting, 'nuff said.

[Deleted]

Mind Blast is his top damaging spell so he's obviously not Multi-dotting, 'nuff said.

He claims that the single target in Phase 2 makes his mind blast raise to spell #1.

[Deleted]

Odd logs. Hard to see exactly what his multidotting is like (and frankly, i cba to dig through the logs). Odd he only only got one spike phase out though, he could have easily used one near the start as well. probably could have found opportunity for 3 in the fight. Only 1 AA is even weirder, it's only a 90sec CD so using 1 in a 6min fight is pretty bad.

Besides CD use, it would be nice to see his gear. I notice him using necromantic focus, which is an odd choice considering he's BiS (as you say he is). If the rest of his gear is still from firelands then the damage is still relatively low though, spriests should easily be competing with moonkins on that fight, certainly ahead of most melee. On the other hand it's 10man, missing so many buffs makes it hard to compare. missing 4% spell power, 3% damage, not much but all top logs will have everything.

Honestly, if you're killing it (and a 1shot?) I wouldn't worry about it.

[Pulski]

The uptime on his DoTs is horrific. 40% on Devouring Plague?

Granted, it was on Normal, but I did 27k (Skada) with a 389 iLvl and no DI this week.

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At one point in the log he's doing 0 dps for like 14 seconds: 19:57:48 to 19:58:02. He's healing at that point and probably using dispersion after = no dps. So that's fine in my book. But would appreciate it alot of anyone had some useful feedback from their shadow priest experience on that fight.

I do not see any reason for any priest on that fight to do no dmg at any point

Even if he is healing he should have dot damage going.

And 15-20k dps during progression seems rather low. Every pair of drakes can at least have SWP on them.

[Stasis007]

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Warmaster...14/30/default/ Shows how well Spriests do on this fight.

But the main factor here is you're killing it easily, and have high (comparatively) dpsers in raid. There's a lot less opportunity to multi-dot when things are dying that quickly.

In saying that, his DPS is low on every other fight too. So he may well be performing to the best of his ability.

[Vitamindps]

vampiric touch is my top damage on that fight on my shadowpriest

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...671#Vitamindpz

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I do not see any reason for any priest on that fight to do no dmg at any point

Even if he is healing he should have dot damage going.

And 15-20k dps during progression seems rather low. Every pair of drakes can at least have SWP on them.

with high enough dps there is actually a fair amount of downtime on that boss where you're simply waiting for stuff to spawn.

[Vitamindps]

well just look at the activity % on the log the boomkin is 92.1%, shadowpriest is at 82.6%

and looking at your DPS there was probably always something to attack

[Deleted]

What I usually do (or well used to do, during lower nerfs and where it still required good execution) was to start at the top and dot the drake while going down to the main part and dot the other drake flying from the other way, dot up one melee mob and then do 2x MF to get stacks for wings and then do the 4p set bonus rotation, then its just keeping dots up on as much as possible, and focus MBs and flays on the drakes of course.

[Deleted]

Only 1 AA is even weirder, it's only a 90sec CD so using 1 in a 6min fight is pretty bad.

True. Gonna check up on that.

I notice him using necromantic focus, which is an odd choice considering he's BiS (as you say he is)

His trinket setup is:
Insignia of the Corrupted Mind
Necromantic Focus

We have been very unlucky with trinket drops, hence the firelands trinket.
I am still waiting for Vial of Shadows and same goes for our healer for Windward Heart.

Honestly, if you're killing it (and a 1shot?) I wouldn't worry about it.

We're trying to build up a good 10 man setup for Mists of Pandaria. Having a shadow priest that can't perform is extremely frustrating.

The uptime on his DoTs is horrific. 40% on Devouring Plague?

Thanks for pointing that out.

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Warmaster...14/30/default/ Shows how well Spriests do on this fight.

Thanks for the link. Gonna check that out.

In saying that, his DPS is low on every other fight too. So he may well be performing to the best of his ability.

That's why i made this thread. We have tried to help him and during Dragon Soul progression he blamed it on his gear and now when he's still not performing we have to take action accordingly.

With high enough dps there is actually a fair amount of downtime on that boss where you're simply waiting for stuff to spawn.

That's not entirely true. If you look at the log again you will see that between the waves none of us goes to 0 dps except for the shadow priest. We focus more on soaking than killing the adds fast since we prefer having a ship without tons of fire than killing stuff fast and wait 10 seconds for the next wave. When our shadow priest drops to 0 the rest of us goes up in dps at the same time. Just find it wierd.

[redthunder]

I am a spriest on this fight, and i've noticed since the hp nerfs i am doing a lot less dps because the adds die before my dots get their full potential off. I use to do above 32k but now i am usually 28k+. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3939&e=4343 <----Is my logs for this week although i did die because pugs+soaking = bad. But if that priest is in full BiS gear even on ultraxion he only did 37.6k whereas i did 39.6k this week with only ilvl 403 so he needs to practice on the dummy imo.

[Deleted]

I am a spriest on this fight, and i've noticed since the hp nerfs i am doing a lot less dps because the adds die before my dots get their full potential off. I use to do above 32k but now i am usually 28k+.

Our shadow priest did 15-20k dps during 5% nerf progression, blamed his firelands gear and now at 25% he's doing 20-25k.

But if that priest is in full BiS gear even on ultraxion he only did 37.6k whereas i did 39.6k this week with only ilvl 403 so he needs to practice on the dummy imo.

Our Ultraxion kill in the log i linked was terrible. We had a soaker dying from lagg just a few seconds before Hour of Twilight. It was all a mess and a miracle we even got the kill with 2 people dead. If you wanna see our usual Ultraxion damage: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3690&e=3897

Edit: Wrong link

[Quenden]

He needs to be dotting more effectively. There's really no excuse to not be the highest damage on that fight/tied with a boomer, unless you have a phenomenal combat rogue in the top spot. Is he utilizing his 4PC as well?

Even without DI, he should be doing close to what the boomkin is doing. Every drake can have VT or SW:P or on most occasions, both...not to mention the pre-dotting from Gori. The nerfs will lower his overall damage, yeah, but not by that much.

[marathal]

Going to make an assumption that if his DPS gear is anything close to his healing set it is not a gear issue. I am not the best at log interpretation but I would almost bet he is letting DoTs fall off and reapplying.

[Deleted]

Going to make an assumption that if his DPS gear is anything close to his healing set it is not a gear issue.

Healing is his offspec, so yes his shadow gear is better.

[chazus]

Blackhorn is an odd fight, and people say that dps should be this or that, but it also depends on the group makeup and how you do it.

There are a number of times when we kill everything, and I literally have nothing to attack, so yes, my dps drops to 0 briefly for anywhere from 5-10 seconds. I pull about 27k. Notably, he doesn't seem to use Death a lot, which he should be with the 2pc.

[Tziva]

This isn't as helpful as a log analysis, but for awhile I was swapping to my shadow priest on Blackhorn with my raid and despite being significantly behind everyone else in gear, I was usually top DPS on the fight just from multidotting in phase 1.

Now, I think I'm pretty good at playing a shadow priest since I've been raiding on one since Burning Crusade, but I'm not more skilled than a lot of other DPS in the raid; everyone else is good DPS, but we don't have any real heavy DoT classes. It's all that crazy multidotting cheatery.

Unless he's competing with other DoT classes, he should be smoking the hell out of everyone, especially if his gear is on par with the rest of the raid.

[chazus]

This isn't as helpful as a log analysis, but for awhile I was swapping to my shadow priest on Blackhorn with my raid and despite being significantly behind everyone else in gear, I was usually top DPS on the fight just from multidotting in phase 1.

Just tossing it out there. Top dps is NOT always a priority, especially on Blackhorn. I could probably get higher dps than I do, however I would also risk not killing my assigned drake, not killing the sapper, etc. Keep this in mind.

I'd rather beat the boss, than top the charts.