Repentance 15 sec CD?

[bmn1]

So in MoP Paladins get:
- 30 sec CD, 20 yard, 6 sec stun
- 15 sec CD, 30 yard, 8 sec blind

Problem?

[Denys]

Can't have both. You get either 1 min CD HoJ and Rep, or 30 sec CD HoJ and no Rep.

Also, Rep has a 1.5 sec cast.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah the cast time is actually a pretty significant nerf to Ret.

[Raugnaut]

Tis not a blind, tis an incapitation! difference in the DR, more akin to Gouge. Also, as mentioned, Repentence has a 1.5 second cast time, so its pretty easy to interupt.

And as mentioned, the 30 sec stun and repentence shares the talent spot. Dont forget Blinding Light!.

Also, I do not think Repent had a target limit, meaning it was possible to repent an entire BG if one had enough time.

[Deleted]

Repentance is a disorient.

Other disorients:
sap
gouge
poly
trap
hungering
hibernate
wyv sting
ring of frost
hex
............

On subject, I dont rlly care about this change, everyone will take the
stun talent instead of rep anyway...

[kosechi]

because rets can't have anything nice?
why do mages get poly with out a cooldown but paladins get it with a 15 second cooldown?

they are worried about holy paladins having to much control which is absolutely ridiculous.

[Deleted]

because rets can't have anything nice?
why do mages get poly with out a cooldown but paladins get it with a 15 second cooldown?

they are worried about holy paladins having to much control which is absolutely ridiculous.

This hardly effects anyone mate, 90% of the pallies will take the stun instead of the repentance so /care.
Maybe some comps will go for the repentance because of too many shared drs on stuns.. maybe....

[Deleted]

because rets can't have anything nice?
why do mages get poly with out a cooldown but paladins get it with a 15 second cooldown?

they are worried about holy paladins having to much control which is absolutely ridiculous.

Rets are currently amazing in pvp. Anyone who fails to see that is probably very bad with ret. Thats all.

[Diatenium]

This is more annoying for Holy Paladins, who are much more willing to stand in the background and lockout non-focus targets.

Assuming our enemy is incapacitated for the full (6-8?) second duration, the nerf merely prevents you from squeezing out a few more seconds of lockout time on that same target or swapping to another non-focus and it isn't that big of a nerf--ostensibly it looked like repent was going to be a more powerful form of polymorph and this seems to bring it a bit more in line with the other choices.

Of course, I'm fairly casual in pvp, so there isn't much for me to contribute; still a very strong CC option going into challenge modes.

[kosechi]

This hardly effects anyone mate, 90% of the pallies will take the stun instead of the repentance so /care.
Maybe some comps will go for the repentance because of too many shared drs on stuns.. maybe....

lol no, most pallys are going to be taking repentance for arena play, probably BoG for random and solo play. FoJ is easily the weakest talent in that tier unless you are running a very very specific comp ( which i'm having trouble imagining personally since ret's dispelable stun is easily the weakest stun in the game)

my problem isn't the CD, its that repentance and polymorph are effectively the same ability and mages don't get a CD on theirs.

Rets are currently amazing in pvp. Anyone who fails to see that is probably very bad with ret. Thats all.

this is easily ret's best season, and we are still out classed by rogues. we look great in Mop they improving our control toolkit quite a bit but this is still a nerf to rets and our kit is still fairly sparse compared to dks and rogues ( oh, and jukeing as melee? not fun, even if we can cheat and aura mastery it out)

they don't want holy to surpass priests in terms of control since it would require a significant nerf to their mana longevity, healing output and persona survivabilty to make it balanced. these nerfs would hurt them to much in pve.

[WarTV]

if you watched vanguards stream yday you will be happy to see a 15 sec cd on repen. just saying.

[Deleted]

this is easily ret's best season, and we are still out classed by rogues. we look great in Mop they improving our control toolkit quite a bit but this is still a nerf to rets and our kit is still fairly sparse compared to dks and rogues ( oh, and jukeing as melee? not fun, even if we can cheat and aura mastery it out).

Ret is not the only melee that has to juke but it is the only class that can be immune against interrupts while casting. So ye...

[kosechi]

Ret is not the only melee that has to juke but it is the only class that can be immune against interrupts while casting. So ye...

i'm going to be casting that, or at least trying to cast that more then just every 3 minutes when i can aura mastery it out.... so yeah.. any frost dk can tell you juking as melee is incredibly annoying.

they don't want holy paladins to be able to put people in 15+ second cc chains, thats it. its a nerf to rets who are going to be having a significantly harder time using it.

[Palatinus]

I can't be bothered, but does anyone want to list out mages cc? Or how about rogues? What about instant fear from warlocks....

Can't believe people would cry about paladins cc. Really.../facepalm

---------- Post added 2012-07-19 at 07:48 PM ----------

Rets are currently amazing in pvp. Anyone who fails to see that is probably very bad with ret. Thats all.

Someone got beat by triple dps a tad too much it sounds like.

Anyone that isn't very bad at the game would know that triple dps is just a gimmick comp and the only other viable comp ret has a chance to play is dk/ret/priest, which isn't much better than triple dps tunnel vision wise. Oh and how about those RBG groups? Everyone of those needs a ret in. Yeah currently AMAZING....

[Deleted]

this is easily ret's best season, and we are still out classed by rogues. we look great in Mop they improving our control toolkit quite a bit but this is still a nerf to rets and our kit is still fairly sparse compared to dks and rogues ( oh, and jukeing as melee? not fun, even if we can cheat and aura mastery it out)

they don't want holy to surpass priests in terms of control since it would require a significant nerf to their mana longevity, healing output and persona survivabilty to make it balanced. these nerfs would hurt them to much in pve.

I'm pretty sure that rets were much better in s5 and s6 than what they are now. Right now they are mostly good because triple dps is so retarded and rets got great synergy with triple dps.

[Deleted]

I can't be bothered, but does anyone want to list out mages cc? Or how about rogues? What about instant fear from warlocks....

Can't believe people would cry about paladins cc. Really.../facepalm

---------- Post added 2012-07-19 at 07:48 PM ----------



Someone got beat by triple dps a tad too much it sounds like.

Anyone that isn't very bad at the game would know that triple dps is just a gimmick comp and the only other viable comp ret has a chance to play is dk/ret/priest, which isn't much better than triple dps tunnel vision wise. Oh and how about those RBG groups? Everyone of those needs a ret in. Yeah currently AMAZING....

So you are actually saying that ret is in a bad state pvp-wise right now?

[Deleted]

Mages poly deep ring cs nova cone petfreeze coldsnap
Rogue sap blind garrote cheapsht kidney gouge smoke prep
Ret hoj rep OMG LETS DELETE ONE OF THESE 2, THEY HAVE TOO MUCH

like really ?
All because for some reason they gave ret 120k offheals...
Always the same, ability X if class Z is retarded and OP
so lets just rape their ability Y to make up for it.

[Divineknight13]

Repentance is a disorient.

Other disorients:
sap
gouge
poly
trap
hungering
hibernate
wyv sting
ring of frost
hex
............

On subject, I dont rlly care about this change, everyone will take the
stun talent instead of rep anyway...

you forgot DR s with cyclone too sadly

[Ealyssa]

So you are actually saying that ret is in a bad state pvp-wise right now?

Ret IS bad right now. Having 2 gimmick burst comp in 3s don't make it ok.

Ret is the less wanted melee in RBG too. If you fail to see the poor state of ret in PVP right now you are really bad (and again, Pvp is NOT only triple dps)

[Devinser]

Ret was never actually that great without being overpowered. It's class design.