I bet if we could bring the people from the past to now who made / developed guns. They would be sick to there stomache at all the mindless gun use / crimes used with them. If i helped make somthing what was used in this stupid way id be so ashamed... :/ that poor man and his family.. i mean.. if there was 3 signs it still dont excuse the actions the man took. How does he get his post? or how to people deliver things? he signs there paper work with a bullet to there face? -.-
So many people in this thread sound like they wished nothing had changed since the wild western movies... Like the only way to live is to come out guns blazing, and pity anyone who gets in your way, and then say you where in your right to shoot the little cup scout girl because the cookie-box could have been a bomb sent there by random gangsters to hurt your family that desperately needs your protection all the time from imaginary dangers.
No really that's actually how some of you sound.
Your need to justify this mans actions are getting amazingly desperate.
If a person withdraws from physical contact, stand your ground is void. The salesman also never showed threat of force, which is another requirement. Seeing as there was a witness as well who clearly says the salesman was non-confrontational, he'll get charged with probably second degree murder, although they'll go for first, but I don't know if they'll prove premeditation.
With regards to no trespassing signs, just having a sign that says "No trespassing" isn't enough. In Florida, its not trespassing if you don't know who the land belongs to. The sign must have the property owner's name (pretty common in a lot of states). Also in Florida, signs must warn of any danger associated with trespassing. So in either case, the old man was in the wrong and had a misguided image of what he believed was in his right to do.
And before it comes up, if threat of force wasn't a requirement, you could shoot anyone that looked at you wrong for fear that they might shoot you first.
Of course that idiot deserves a severe punishment. But to be fair, after so many news reports from Florida I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone living there anymore. You have the option to move from that state, and people still choose to stay. I wouldn't live there for anything. It'd be an everyday gamble, people might eat your face or shoot you any day. :I
And you say im desperate when your not exercising common sense
florida law regarding guns:
rule 1: cardio
rule 2: double tap
And as Spectral stated, the law defines what "no trespassing" means, not the salesman or the man putting up the signs. It doesn't mean you can kill a person for trespassing if they don't pose a real threat, and nothing about the situation constituted a threat to any sane person.
And before you pull the Castle Doctrine reasoning again, it can only be used when there is a real threat of physical harm or death. Witnesses have stated that the salesman displayed no threatening behaviour before the first shot and the second one was done when he couldn't even defend himself, let alone attack the gun owner, and therefore the Castle Doctrine doesn't apply here.
Last edited by Theodon; 2012-07-28 at 08:57 PM.
I can't have a sign that says - no! - and kill anyone that i see, because to me the meaning of a sign that says - no! - equals that i can kill them if they are close enough to read the sign.
The shot to the head will be tough to defend but ive seen worse get away.
"Well you just said it... How is he to know? "
No means no, its pretty clear. Do you also ignore warning labels on medications and power tools?
Last edited by chadwix; 2012-07-28 at 08:57 PM.