They are amazing!
why are all the healers saying their DMC is bad??? do they realise int dosnt provide bonus mana pool?? therefore only mana regen/gaining things are spirit?? so double spirit would be frekaing awsome -_-
loving the new DMC trinkets even though they are pretty dull the stats it gives is pretty insane
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I saw this and did some investigating, and in my personal opinion the DMF trinkets are CRAP. Yes, they have a good proc, and a nice primary stat boost, but their ilevel is LOW, meaning a lot of heroic and normal mode trinkets will be better, and the DMF trinkets won't last up to 2 tiers like the Cata ones for instance did. They'll last you long enough to help fill a gap but by the end of the tier you'll have replaced it. So the trinkets won't last long, only for people that absolutely don't raid, or are fresh gearing up or have had terrible RNG getting trinkets.
Now here's the real kicker though.
This is the recipe to make one DMF card. See that Scroll of Wisdom they mention you need 1 of? You can only make 1 a day of those and they are, of course, Soulbound. There is not going to be any mass producing of these cards like there was before, so prices for the trinkets will be sky high. Not in the least also cause those same Scrolls of Wisdom's you-only-get-once-a-day, can be used to make the much more lucrative off-hands and weapons.
So not only are the trinkets lack luster at best, they are also very hard to make, on top of the fact you can still only turn in the decks once every month. With the first DMF only 12 days after expansion release that means we'll probably won't see the first batch of trinkets at a slightly less than insane price 40+ days after release of the expansion.
So, yeah, I don't think I'll be bothering with a DMF trinket this expansion tyvm.
Last edited by xskarma; 2012-08-05 at 01:51 AM.
While a single Scribe can't make more than a whole deck (let alone 2+) on their own before the first faire, a smart guild would get as many scribes in the guild making them en mass. With there being 18 days til the last day of the DMF from Launch of MoP, even with 3-4 scribes, that would be 54-72 cards. That should potentially allow for 6-9 decks to be made, depending on rate of doubles.
At an ASTRONOMICAL cost. We are talking beginning of expansion here, even if you farm the herbs in guild it will take a very large amount of herbs. I'm pretty sure very few guilds are willing to spend the gross amount of herbs needed to accomplish such a thing just for a handfull of crappy trinkets. My guess is most guilds will go the smart way and invest those herbs into flasks and potions for the whole raid.
Very disappointed with the Healer trinket. IMO it should have base Int and procc Spirit, or vice versa, not just spirit on top of spirit.
Still wondering why I play this game.
I'm a Rogue and I also made a spreadsheet for the Order Hall that is updated for BfA.
The trinkets are going to be fine for MoP. For those complaining, why don't you wait and see what Blizz does with the final stats for classes before making judgements. You are simply basing opinions on the way things are now, and not taking into any account what the stats are going to be on the other 16 equipment slots.
For those complaining about ilevel...really? If you are one of those people who think ilevel means a better piece, i feel for you and your raid group. There are still (although only a few) heroic Firelands pieces that are better than many DS pieces for some classes, and I know the hunters in my raid group all STILL use the heroic ragnaros neck over anything from Heroic DS. Ilevel is not always an indication of being better.
Last edited by 4dahorde; 2012-08-05 at 02:52 AM.
They most definitely won't be fine, at least compared to past DMCs, if things stay the way they are on beta at the moment. The conquest PvP trinkets are vastly superior to any of the cards for a DPS class, and tank DMC just flat out sucks for most applications.
And if you don't think item level is at all relevant you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Sure, just because it's 15 (random number) item levels below a normal mode raid trinket doesn't mean it's worse. But it definitely does mean that it will be replaced 15 item levels earlier than it would if it had actually followed the item level trend for trinkets from previous expansions.
Not nearly as many people are going to bother spending significantly more than what they did for DMCs in the past (because of card creation being tied to a daily CD) when they are lower item level and inferior to other trinkets that are easier to obtain.
They look like greatness cards. Hooray.
Miss that trinket
healers...really, have you even PLAYED beta?
look at every single tanking DMF trinket that they've ever released UPTO AND INCLUDING this one, then I _DARE_ you to whine about your healing trinket.
Nice guess, but no. They all have a 20% proc chance, you can find this by clicking on the proc text on wowhead.
Huh? DMC: Tsunami was freaking amazing for the entirety of T11 and up into T12. It was even extremely good in PvP. Unless you're trying to say that healers have always got a good trinket in which case I kind of see your point.
Although, yeah, I get the impression most of the people complaining about the healer trinket don't know how intellect works in MoP for healers.
Last edited by aggixx; 2012-08-05 at 03:30 AM.
Yeah. I've played beta in MoP. That trinket is amazing because you need a heavy amount of spirit. Int is still good but it doesn't give you more mana. Only thing I see those trinkets changing is the tanking one needs something. I mean it does give you almost 3x the dodge rating, but it doesn't have a passive.
i was basically saying 2 things;
the healers complaining clearly dont know how healing/int works in mop
and tanks have never had a good dmf trinket...
according to my first test (agi trinket)
~ every 57 sec a proc[11:22:47.179] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:23:02.245] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:23:43.788] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:23:58.843] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:24:41.958] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:24:57.000] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:25:38.584] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:25:53.550] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:27:26.129] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:27:41.158] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:28:21.560] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:28:36.543] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:29:16.655] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:29:31.710] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:30:22.001] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:30:37.077] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
[11:31:19.781] Muellmann gains Blessing of the Celestials from Muellmann
[11:31:34.722] Muellmann's Blessing of the Celestials fades from Muellmann
~ 23% uptime said wol
Last edited by Arumil; 2012-08-05 at 09:46 AM.
Unless you got poor luck, looks like a 55 second ICD with the most frequent proc happening 55.095 seconds after the previous.
Here's the spreadsheet I made to parse it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2RaTG42cHBhTUE
By the way, thanks for doing the tests and posting the information to the public. Much appreciated!
Last edited by aggixx; 2012-08-05 at 10:07 AM.